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#883511 - 01/08/08 02:34 PM
Re: Supremem Court Divided Over Lethal Injections
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Had he killed the child, he'd be dead now instead of a free, exonerated man thanks to the death penalty in Texas. This made me LOLoad a little bit... I get what you were trying to say, but still it made me chuckle a bit... carry on!
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#883518 - 01/08/08 02:40 PM
Re: Supremem Court Divided Over Lethal Injections
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only to find out that DNA evidence proved without a doubt that it was not him. That' a great point! 20 years ago the DP might not have been sucha great thing. But in this day and age, with DNA evidence, it can prove just the opposite of what you say - without a doubt it IS someone!
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#883532 - 01/08/08 02:52 PM
Re: Supremem Court Divided Over Lethal Injections
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No shock here, but I am all for the death penalty, and I could care less if it hurts a bit. These people are on death row for a reason and some pain at the end is not a bad thing.
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#883552 - 01/08/08 03:09 PM
Re: Supremem Court Divided Over Lethal Injections
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No shock here, but I am all for the death penalty, and I could care less if it hurts a bit. These people are on death row for a reason and some pain at the end is not a bad thing. They are indeed on death row for a reason. However, a man was in prison for most of his life for a reason too. They thought he did something terrible, and a court convicted him. Strangely enough, when they actually checked EVIDENCE, they found out he was innocent and set him free. Do you or anyone you personally know have the ability to overturn and reverse a death sentence?
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#883553 - 01/08/08 03:11 PM
Re: Supremem Court Divided Over Lethal Injections
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only to find out that DNA evidence proved without a doubt that it was not him. That' a great point! 20 years ago the DP might not have been sucha great thing. But in this day and age, with DNA evidence, it can prove just the opposite of what you say - without a doubt it IS someone! Unfortunately, we live in a nation where many people can afford lawyers who can overcome damning DNA evidence, and others cannot afford an attorney who will even bother to check the box marked not-guilty. Until that changes, you cannot be sure that everything is being done to prevent innocent men from going to jail, or worse yet, being executed. Any irreversible punishment is unjust.
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#883566 - 01/08/08 03:23 PM
Re: Supremem Court Divided Over Lethal Injections
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A figure in the tens of millions might do it for me...
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#883570 - 01/08/08 03:25 PM
Re: Supremem Court Divided Over Lethal Injections
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This is where DNA is going to be helpful in the future, it is becoming a faster less expensive way of proving guilt or innocence
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#883572 - 01/08/08 03:26 PM
Re: Supremem Court Divided Over Lethal Injections
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In spite of the fact that you are a Bengals fan (Steeler fan here), I could not agree with you more. When I was in law school, one of my professors was involved in something called the Innocence Project where attorneys volunteered their time to help convicted criminals on death row who were unjustly found guilty. These types of cases are not unusual, there are hundreds of them. One cannot reclaim their time in jail, but they can start over. Once we kill someone, there is no coming back.
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#883579 - 01/08/08 03:33 PM
Re: Supremem Court Divided Over Lethal Injections
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Can you reverse the 20 years this man spent in prison? That is irreversible too, unless someone figures out time travel. No, you can't. HOWEVER, you can give them the ability to go out and live the rest of their life.
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#883586 - 01/08/08 03:39 PM
Re: Supremem Court Divided Over Lethal Injections
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OK, no DP at all, regardless of situation?
What if the news captures on video, some idiot unloading his gun at the mall and killing a number of people?
Live on national TV, no questions, no possiblities he didn't do it. And he's pledged to kill others either in prison or if he ever gets out.
Still no DP?
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#883597 - 01/08/08 03:45 PM
Re: Supremem Court Divided Over Lethal Injections
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HOWEVER, going out on a limb, I am going to say that those 20 years in prison are irreversible too. So if you standard is the fact that death is irreversible and therefore an unjust punishment, time is irreversible and therefore unjust because some of the people we send to prison may or may not be guilty. You can't give time back, but you CAN give him the ability to live the rest of his life a free man. What is so hard for you to understand the difference between that and making someone dead?
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#883607 - 01/08/08 03:52 PM
Re: Supremem Court Divided Over Lethal Injections
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I know why it is so hard for you to understand what I am saying so I won't ask you the question.
You stated that death is irreversible therefore, the death penalty is unjust. I am arguing that all punsishments are irreversible and if that is how to justify whether a punishment is just, all punishments would be unjust.
Stick to arguing about life's sanctity. Gives you the moral highground and you can stay away from tricky things like logic and syllogisms. You're really pathetic if you can't understand that by irreversible, I mean you can't do anything to change the punishment if it is found to be unjust. You're even sadder because I'm sure you're getting some sick joy out of trying to be a pain in my butt, and all it is doing is making you look like a fool. You can't give someone the time they did in prison back, but you can free them. It's that simple.
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#883612 - 01/08/08 03:56 PM
Re: Supremem Court Divided Over Lethal Injections
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You stated that death is irreversible therefore stop arguing over semantics and get back to work. you know very well the proposition that he is arguing doesn't turn on the word "irreversible".
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#883613 - 01/08/08 03:57 PM
Re: Supremem Court Divided Over Lethal Injections
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Can you reverse the 20 years this man spent in prison? That is irreversible too, unless someone figures out time travel. No, you can't. HOWEVER, you can give them the ability to go out and live the rest of their life. Read Grisham's "The Innocent Man"
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#883623 - 01/08/08 04:02 PM
Re: Supremem Court Divided Over Lethal Injections
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Once we kill someone, there is no coming back. Trivia question... # of documented of innocent people being actually executed in this country,. (hint: rhymes w/ "hero"). DNA evidence makes it even more unlikely.
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