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#1326866 - 01/19/10 10:16 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 RR Joker
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Where would you list an assumption fee on the new GFE?

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#1326876 - 01/19/10 10:34 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 FABCompliance
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If the assumption fee is charged and retained by the lender, then it goes into the orig charge, block one.
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#1326879 - 01/19/10 10:39 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 ahou
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Mgmt is struggling with the loan level pricing adj fee. It appears to go in block 1 orig charge. Mgmt is arguing that the fee is actually a FNMA fee and is passed to them. How are you disclosing it?
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#1326890 - 01/19/10 10:57 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 ML
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And yes, the list can be just one name. It's actually to your benefit to keep the list minimal. That way if the borrower chooses one of the other title companies in town, title fees move from the 10% tolerance box to the box where fees are allowed to change.

Obviously, this is still up for debate, but I believe you should try to get as many services in the 10% tolerance bucket as possible. That way the "grace" of 10% becomes larger. If you only have a few services (flood determination, appraisal and credit report) in there and something is off (let's say the appraisal is off $50), you're more likely to be outside of tolerance and have to reimburse. But if the 10% tolerance bucket includes most things (including the title services which is the highest fees), you're likely to be within your 10% tolerance.

Just my opinion.
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#1326907 - 01/19/10 11:25 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 David Dickinson
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Originally Posted By: David Dickinson
Originally Posted By: David Dickinson
What we are seeing is inconsistent answers from HUD through emails. Unless it comes from the regulation or is in the FAQs, I advise not relying on it.

HUD: Are you reading this? You've got to update your FAQs with the issues were posting here!

I sent the following to David Friend at HUD:
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I can’t imagine how busy you are with the RESPA changes that went into effect in January, but I wanted to bring your attention to the mass confusion at Bankers Online. When you called me a few weeks ago, you indicated you had read a post I made (quoting an email I got from HUD about transfer taxes that was incorrect). Have you been reading the posts lately? Please review this thread that over 1700 posts to it. http://www.bankersonline.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1324593&#Post1324593
If you start at the back and move up, you’ll see numerous posts with inconsistent answers from HUD.

For instance:
I've received some responses to questions I've asked HUD...I thought the replies might be helpful.

1. If the lender does not charge the customer for a credit report does it still have to be disclosed on the GFE and on the HUD as POC Lender?
HUD Rep's answer-If the charge for the credit report is not charged to the borrower it does not have to be disclosed.

2. If an attorney prepares documents such as Mortgage, Exhibit, Notice of Seizure, Cash Sale, where should the fee be disclosed?
HUD Rep's answer was it should be disclosed in Block 4.

3. When and where to disclose property tax on the GFE and HUD 1/1A.
HUD Rep's reply was that the only time property taxes are disclosed on the GFE is those held in escrow, page 2, Block 9. There are two occasions you will have the borrower paying taxes that do not appear on the GFE:
1. Tax payments due at the time of closing.
2. Adjustments between buyer and seller.
In both cases, these must be put either on the HUD1 or HUD1A. You would show the tax adjustment on 107/407 or 211/511 (which ever applies). Tax payments to be dispursed, as in a refinance, should be disclosed in between lines 1302-1305, Additional Settlement Charges, and clearly identified.

Just thought I'd share this...hope it is helpful.

The first two are NOT consistent with the regulation or FAQs.

HUD updated the FAQs on 11/19/09. The December FAQ update changed 1 answer and stated the booklets are now available. Is there any hope for more frequent updates with more information? There are lots of questions that are not answered. I’m advising our clients with the following: “Unless it comes from the regulation or is in the FAQs, I advise not relying on it.”

Thank you for any insight you have on this confusion.
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If I get a response, I'll post it.

I got a reply. Here's what David Friend (of HUD) stated:
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In order to determine which areas need the most clarification concerning the preparation and completion of the new GFE and HUD-1 forms, we are reviewing many different websites and blog postings, as well as additional email queries we have been receiving. Bankers Online has been one of the websites I have been reviewing and find it to be very helpful in discovering the questions that are currently generating the most debate. We are currently developing additional guidance to be posted in the near future.

Your feedback is appreciated, and is very helpful as everyone works towards implementing the new RESPA regulation and giving consumers the information they need to make informed decisions about one of the most important transactions in their lives.
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#1327087 - 01/20/10 03:13 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 ahou
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What about an assignment fee? Where would that go? In block 4 with title company charges?

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#1327174 - 01/20/10 03:58 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 ahou
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See the FAQ. HUD suggests that it is a charge to the borrower listed in box 3 of Block 2. If you are giving the borrower a credit for lender paid broker fees, you cannot have both a credit and charge in Block 2. If you have a credit in Block 2, you either increase the amount in Block 1 to cover any potential LLPA, or you require the borrower to lock-in the interest rate three business days prior to closing and give the borrower a revised GFE that reduces the credit in Block 2 by the amount of the LLPA. The latter method may cause problems for your relationship with the borrower.
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#1327276 - 01/20/10 04:56 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 David Dickinson
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Originally Posted By: David Dickinson
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And yes, the list can be just one name. It's actually to your benefit to keep the list minimal. That way if the borrower chooses one of the other title companies in town, title fees move from the 10% tolerance box to the box where fees are allowed to change.

Obviously, this is still up for debate, but I believe you should try to get as many services in the 10% tolerance bucket as possible. That way the "grace" of 10% becomes larger. If you only have a few services (flood determination, appraisal and credit report) in there and something is off (let's say the appraisal is off $50), you're more likely to be outside of tolerance and have to reimburse. But if the 10% tolerance bucket includes most things (including the title services which is the highest fees), you're likely to be within your 10% tolerance.

Just my opinion.


I tend to agree with David. I just had to redo a HUD for an attorney who had messed it up and although I wouldn't have had a tolerance issue anyway, I had a cushion of $712 because the borrower didn't purchase OTI. I like zeros!
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#1327435 - 01/20/10 07:02 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 FABCompliance
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Originally Posted By: FABCompliance
What about an assignment fee? Where would that go? In block 4 with title company charges?


Who is getting the assignment fee?
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#1328512 - 01/21/10 10:03 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 TB 12
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Quick question, probably answered before but I cannot find it. If we are doing a simultaneous second (no costs associated with this loan), do we still have to show the costs associated with this loan and show it has a credit in Block 2 or can the blocks just contain zeroes?

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#1328663 - 01/22/10 01:22 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 CSB98
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You'll have separate disclosures, one pertaining to each transaction. The second will show on the HUD for the 1st in the 200 section...is that what you are asking?
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#1328758 - 01/22/10 03:01 PM Hud Memo Transfer Taxes David Dickinson
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A post from 1-15-10 stated, "The email I got from HUD was about transfer taxes, not credit report." I have a question about "transfer taxes" and would appreciate clarification.

RESPA now states that unless state law dictates otherwise, regardless of what is customary or what the purchase contract states, the full amount of the transfer tax/stamps should be disclosed as a charge to the borrower on the GFE:”

I have started to reseach various states but I want to be clear on my understanding. Let's say in a particular state, the law clearly has instructed that the seller is required to pay these taxes. In this instance I would be within the regulation to NOT disclose these taxes on the GFE for the borrower?

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#1328764 - 01/22/10 03:05 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 RR Joker
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Originally Posted By: RR joker
You'll have separate disclosures, one pertaining to each transaction. The second will show on the HUD for the 1st in the 200 section...is that what you are asking?


Not sure if I understand. We will not be charging any fees on the 2nd REM since the costs were included for the 1st REM. So, do we have to show the fees even though we're not charging them on the 2nd REM or can we just put zeroes? I was reading in the FAQs that for "no cost" loans a credit should be listed in Block 2, which would result in a negative number in Block A. Does this make sense?

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#1328767 - 01/22/10 03:07 PM Re: Okay, where's the justice?? ktac MITCH
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This is going to sound harsh, and it's not meant to be. However, helping the consumer is not our primary concern; regulatory compliance is.

I know its only January, but for my money
This is Post of the Year


I SECOND THAT!
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#1328772 - 01/22/10 03:13 PM Re: Hud Memo Transfer Taxes 2old2care
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I believe that is correct. In PA, the buyer and seller evenly split transfer taxes. I recently got an e-mail from the PA Land Title Association that we got a ruling from HUD to only show the borrower's portion of transfer taxes on the GFE.

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#1328780 - 01/22/10 03:15 PM Re: Hud Memo Transfer Taxes 2old2care
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A post from 1-15-10 stated, "The email I got from HUD was about transfer taxes, not credit report." I have a question about "transfer taxes" and would appreciate clarification.

RESPA now states that unless state law dictates otherwise, regardless of what is customary or what the purchase contract states, the full amount of the transfer tax/stamps should be disclosed as a charge to the borrower on the GFE:”

I have started to reseach various states but I want to be clear on my understanding. Let's say in a particular state, the law clearly has instructed that the seller is required to pay these taxes. In this instance I would be within the regulation to NOT disclose these taxes on the GFE for the borrower?
Correct. That means in WI, MN, and MI you would NOT show transfer taxes on the GFE because there are state laws in each state that assign this fee to the seller/grantor. There may be more states but these are the only ones we've hit in our business area.

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#1328796 - 01/22/10 03:28 PM Re: Hud Memo Transfer Taxes Truffle Royale
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Thank you. MI is one I was researching so you just saved me time on that one. I appreciate your assistance.

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#1328798 - 01/22/10 03:33 PM Re: Hud Memo Transfer Taxes Truffle Royale
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We are a 50/50 split of transfer tax in our state. If we do not list the full amount of the transfer tax (even though they only pay half) on the GFE we get a violation on the HUD that we are over the 0 tolereance when we list the full amount of the transfter tax on the HUD. We then split the costs on the HUD.

Anyone having this issue with their software?

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#1328799 - 01/22/10 03:34 PM Re: Hud Memo Transfer Taxes 2old2care
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Michigan Section 207.523 State Real Estate Transfer Tax Act Sec 3 - #2 "The person who is the seller or grantor of the property is liable for the tax imposed under this act."

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#1328802 - 01/22/10 03:39 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 ktac MITCH
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Originally Posted By: ktac MITCH
Originally Posted By: Sinatra Fan
This is going to sound harsh, and it's not meant to be. However, helping the consumer is not our primary concern; regulatory compliance is.

I know its only January, but for my money
This is Post of the Year


Just for you guys I created the following:

http://diy2.despair.com/spage/8240091.html

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#1328814 - 01/22/10 03:49 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 CSB98
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Originally Posted By: RR joker
You'll have separate disclosures, one pertaining to each transaction. The second will show on the HUD for the 1st in the 200 section...is that what you are asking?


Not sure if I understand. We will not be charging any fees on the 2nd REM since the costs were included for the 1st REM. So, do we have to show the fees even though we're not charging them on the 2nd REM or can we just put zeroes? I was reading in the FAQs that for "no cost" loans a credit should be listed in Block 2, which would result in a negative number in Block A. Does this make sense?


Ah! You are talking about origination fees. IMHO, unless you want to give the borrower money...you need to show the total origination fees (that would be charged) in Block 1, then show an offset credit in Block 2 for a net of Zero in A.
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#1328847 - 01/22/10 04:06 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 RR Joker
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We just received the first new HUD of the year. The title company closing the transaction for the ledning institution had their own training on completing the new HUD's. On the 800 items, they listed all bank fees in a lump sum on the column where the borrower is paying the fees. However, they also did a breakdown of all fees related to the origination charge on the inside lines of the HUD. The same goes with the 1100's charges. we have a lumpsum for the title services, but they also did a breakdown of the fees in that lumpsum. and the breakdown is on the inside lines of the HUD. I thought we could not do breakdown of fees on the new HUD's? please help...

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#1328930 - 01/22/10 04:43 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 newyork
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The only thing IN the column on 803 is the adjusted origination charges. Then you have the appraisal, credit report, etc broken out separately. (required services)

The 1101 should show the total title services. but a breakout is over to the left. I don't know how you couldn't break out the 1100 fees...but the origination fees - No.

if you look at some of the examples (I'm looking at the OTS example from a teleconference) all they broke out separately was the lender title and the settlement fee that the seller was paying.

In this case it appears the entire amount on 1101 is comprised of just the title services/lender's title insurance. when you take out the fee for the LTI, the title exam charge was $750.00. There was nothing else to disclose.

I'm looking at one where they broke it out further. I've got a settlement fee (PPFC), LTI, Title Binder and title exam broken down to make the full total in the borrower's column.
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#1328943 - 01/22/10 04:53 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 RR Joker
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I appologize if this has been asked before; can't seem to find it.

The loan has just been locked, so a revised GFE must be provided. What happens if in order for the borrower to get the original quoted rate,the points in Block 1 will go up. Is that permissable. Sorry, I guess I should know this, but at this moment I am not certain about anything. Thanks in advance...
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#1328953 - 01/22/10 04:56 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 Still Smiling
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If it's due to the rate lock, then yes! So long as you are past the date you listed in #1.
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