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#185291 - 03/15/05 01:53 PM
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I'm sorry, Z, but I have more than a little sympathy for his statement.
First, Jokerman's tag line to go with the article is, to say the least, inaccurate. Nowhere in the article is Edwards quoted as saying that The President is another Joseph McCarthy. He equates the stifling of political dissent today as similar to that which happened during the MCCarthy era. That is hardly the same. I should point out in the interest of fair play that the era of stifling political dissent in this manner predates the current President - one can trace this phenomenon back to the Clinton (or maybe even the Bush 41) administration. It is all part of the lack of civil discourse regarding political issues in this country.
Second, Edwards is no loner primarily affiliated with National Publi Radio. He works as a host for XM Satellite Radio, a private company. His infrequent appearances since his departure (I cannot remember hearing him at all) hardly should be linked with NPR is the attempted here.
Finally, having to listened to all three men (Edwards, Hannity, and Limbaugh) for more than five minutes, I would have to pick Edwards as the most balanced of the three. I long ago gave up on Rush; it takes too much effort to weed out the crapto get to the tiny kernel of truth. As to Hannity, he is certainly better than Rush, but he is still essentially a Republican apologist. I give him credit for being up front about it, and I am not saying that being a Repiblican apologist is a bad thing (I frequently fal into the same camp).
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#185292 - 03/15/05 02:04 PM
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I know not about Edwards' comments. I think the point Jokerman was making was not about accurately portraying Edwards' words, but about outing him as the liberal he is. I know: that is not big news.
He is no longer at NPR Morning Edition, but the NPR newsroom was and is controlled by liberals. That is too bad. I think 30 years at NPR will link Edwards to NPR forever. And he is not gone, he still does work for NPR (which you acknowledged).
Balance? Who ever said Hannity or Limbaugh were balanced? Neither Hannity or Limbaugh pretend to be balanced. Yes, Edwards' reports are more balanced than Hannity and Limbaugh, but they do not have the same jobs. Hannity and Limbaugh are not newsmen. Being a newsman who is more balanced than Hannity and Limbaugh is nothing to brag about. I am sure that if there were a market for Edwards to perform the same job as Hannity and Limbaugh, but for liberals, he would also be more balanced than Franken, but again, that is nothing to brag about!
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#185293 - 03/15/05 02:26 PM
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Jokerman's tag line to go with the article is, to say the least, inaccurate. Nowhere in the article is Edwards quoted as saying that The President is another Joseph McCarthy. He equates the stifling of political dissent today as similar to that which happened during the MCCarthy era. That is hardly the same.
Oh, come on. No, Mr. Edwards did not express it as a mathematical formula, but I think my post summed it up pretty nicely. Here is the actual quote:
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Edwards, a host for XM Satellite Radio, said the "Bush administration holds reporters in contempt" and has become the "all-time champion of information control."
If that is not accusing the administration of being McCarthyites, I don't know what would be. Especially when you throw in the Murrow quote.
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I should point out in the interest of fair play that the era of stifling political dissent in this manner predates the current President - one can trace this phenomenon back to the Clinton (or maybe even the Bush 41) administration. It is all part of the lack of civil discourse regarding political issues in this country.
Yes, there is obviously a lot of stifling going on. For example, Moveon.org (which won't) was unable to run any ads attacking the President during the previous election cycle. No negative stories about the administration were on the front page of the New York Times, ever. And I obviously don't have to go into what lap dogs the the three network news anchors were for George W. (Especially that one that does stories over at 60 Minutes Wednesday.)
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Second, Edwards is no loner primarily affiliated with National Publi Radio. He works as a host for XM Satellite Radio, a private company. His infrequent appearances since his departure (I cannot remember hearing him at all) hardly should be linked with NPR is the attempted here.
I never said he was still affiliated - I was pointing out that someone who said that we would still hear from him was accurate. However, the story is very illustrative of the type of political bias that is present at NPR. Or, would you argue that Mr. Edwards has just developed these opinions since leaving NPR?
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Finally, having to listened to all three men (Edwards, Hannity, and Limbaugh) for more than five minutes, I would have to pick Edwards as the most balanced of the three. I long ago gave up on Rush; it takes too much effort to weed out the crapto get to the tiny kernel of truth. As to Hannity, he is certainly better than Rush, but he is still essentially a Republican apologist. I give him credit for being up front about it, and I am not saying that being a Repiblican apologist is a bad thing (I frequently fal into the same camp).
I still don't understand this comparison. The only thing they would have in common is that they are on the radio. As has been pointed out several times, neither Mr. Hannity nor Mr. Limbaugh pretend to be unbiased, and neither are on taxpayer-subsidized stations.
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#185294 - 03/15/05 02:30 PM
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Z - taking that a step further, if you compare Edwards or any of his former colleagues at NPR to other "news people", you will find they are left of center, even for the left-leaning media. While they don't state that openly, they often work it into the stories they do.
For instance, NPR often refers to President Bush as "Mr. Bush", whereas they still refer to Bill Clinton as "President Clinton".
They also tend to try and subtly remind us that they do not believe President Bush is the legitimate president. Last week, they reported that the "Bush administration" was working with Great Britain on the Northern Ireland situation. It wasn't the United States, or Washington. It just came across that they didn't feel the Bush Administration represented the United States.
I listen to Morning Edition to get a good dose of news on my way to work. However, when the slant goes too far left, it's time for Mike & Mike. From other new organizations, I can accept the liberal slant. But NPR is a government sactioned/government-sponsered organization. They should be the most balanced outlet available to us, instead of the furthest left.
JMHO - ZD
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#185296 - 03/15/05 02:50 PM
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I certainly don't argue that there is not a need for a liberal talk radio similar to Rush, Hannity, Savage, Gallagher. However, it is not the government's job to provide it or subsidize it. If it cannot survive on its own, that is a shame (RIP Air America). Never fear though--if the government ever catches on and requires NPR and PBS to offer more balanced news--you can always watch BBC, CBS, NBC, ABC, and CNN.
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#185297 - 03/15/05 04:34 PM
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Joker(man)....You quote Edwards as saying the following:
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Edwards, a host for XM Satellite Radio, said the "Bush administration holds reporters in contempt" and has become the "all-time champion of information control."
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Bob Edwards often operate as a commentator? Commentators are paid to provide their opinion. In this way Edwards is no different than Mona Charen or Cal Thomas. True, the newspapers that syndicate Charen and Thomas's columns aren't publicly funded, but conservative commentators appear on NPR as well. I've heard Tony Blankley on there several times. That's balance. And if Edwards is providing such commentary on XM, so what?? That's not publicly funded.
This thread began with individuals saying they were sorry to see Mr. Edwards leaving Morning Edition as the host. He was to remain with NPR as a correspondent. Someone said they hoped NPR didn't become too "mainstream" as a result, and so I teased a little about NPR's obvious bias. We argued about the Constitution, whether this was an appropriate use of taxpayer money, etc.
Yesterday, I saw a story where Mr. Edwards let his bias show (again). As you have guessed, it is of no concern to me that an XM radio host would have a bias. But the fact that he does illustrates why I dislike, for personal reasons, NPR's content, and why, for reasons of public policy, government-funded speech is a bad idea.
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#185298 - 03/15/05 09:24 PM
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Z, is Air America dead already? I have never listened, but I thought AlGore and friends were still broadcasting.
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#185299 - 03/15/05 09:26 PM
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See, just the fact that we don't know if they are still broadcasting proves their death.
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#185300 - 03/15/05 11:02 PM
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I have never heard AA, doubt it will ever make it to Aggieland (way to conservative), but I thought they were getting a new station up in Dallas. I think they are expanding, spending someone's money on a losing proposition.
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#185301 - 03/15/05 11:14 PM
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Maybe they can spend George Soros broke while no one listens.
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#185302 - 03/16/05 01:21 PM
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Oh, I forgot. If you want liberal media, you can also read your daily newspaper:
The Project for Excellence in Journalism found that, during the presidential campaign, American newspapers were three times more likely to print negative news about President Bush than about Sen. John Kerry.
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#185303 - 03/17/05 01:00 AM
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Ok, I will step up. I like NPR, listen to it daily. I don't mind my taxes going to support it and I also make donations to my local station. I enjoy the programing (especially the entertainment shows like Click and Clack and Wait Wait Don't Tell Me) and don't beliver it to be a far left perspective.
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#185304 - 03/17/05 02:17 PM
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But, KC, would you mind having your tax dollars pay to have Rush Limbaugh on?
For the record, I wouldn't characterize NPR as "far" left. Just liberal - garden-variety, politically correct, liberal. Just like the network news. Most of them probably don't even think they are liberal - it's all around them. It would be like pointing out to a fish that he's underwater. They don't know anything else.
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