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#223267 - 08/04/04 09:16 PM
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Dawnie, the Bible is a growing document. The things you quote are from the Old Testament, the history of the church, and the old ways. The New Testament, and the sacrifice of Christ for our sins changed much of the old ways and gave us hope and love.
So tell me, why did it change (and did God do this) for these things, but not for the other items? IE Homosexuality. Why is that still an issue but I can't stone my neighbor any longer?
Did God publish the New Testament with these "new and improved" Christian guidelines? I thought he'd seen the sacrafice of Christ prior to the publish date....
First, there is forgiveness for doing wrong, so if you DID stone your neighbor, God would forgive you in Christ's name. All you have to do is repent and ask for His all encompassing Love and Forgiveness. This includes homosexuality. While these acts are sinful, repentance and forgiveness are never beyond reach. His love is always there.
As for "writing" the new testament, no, God didn't write it, however, he inspired it and guided the minds and hands of the authors, the oral storytellers, and the groups who went through all the stories to seek the truth of His Word.
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#223268 - 08/04/04 09:18 PM
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The New Testament, and the sacrifice of Christ for our sins changed much of the old ways and gave us hope and love.
My favorite Bible quotes were always "judge not lest ye be judged" and "let he who is without sin cast the first stone." It seems that those with the "Christian" moniker always seem to forget those quotes. Or this..."Our God is a merciful God." There are many lifestyles and choices that people make that I do not agree with, but I think that there choice is between them and whatever God they choose to believe in, or not believe in. Who am I to judge them? Better yet, who are you?
Giving warning is not the same as judging. Would you let your young child step in front of traffic where should could die without grabbing at her and warning her that she is in danger? It is out of love and mercy that we speak, not out of Judgement.
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#223269 - 08/04/04 09:29 PM
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Pulling people out of the ditc...
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there are more days when I would opt to push my child in to traffic rather than pull him from it...that being said, your allegorical tale is a far different comparison than saving a child from traffic.
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#223270 - 08/04/04 09:30 PM
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Dawnie, the Bible is a growing document. The things you quote are from the Old Testament, the history of the church, and the old ways. The New Testament, and the sacrifice of Christ for our sins changed much of the old ways and gave us hope and love.
EXACTLY
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#223271 - 08/04/04 09:32 PM
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there are more days when I would opt to push my child in to traffic rather than pull him from it...that being said, your allegorical tale is a far different comparison than saving a child from traffic.
I have no idea what you are talking about, but missing the chance at being embraced by God's love and forgiveness, and being Judged by as unworthy, unrepentant, and unsaved by Him is far worse than being hit by a car. And as for pushing your own child into a dangerous situation, you sir need serious help.
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#223272 - 08/04/04 09:41 PM
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THis will be my last post on this topic, as we've seemingly crossed into unchartered territory. First of all, the comment about pushing my child into traffic was a joke, a bit of levity. Maybe you are familiar with humor? Secondly, you are judging that I am not saved by God, that I am not embracing God, etc. Seeing as you know nothing about me, I have no idea how you could make that statement. But you did drive home my piont exactly...It seems that those with the "Christian" moniker always seem to impress their will upon others, and when questionsed, it seems like now I'm being damned to hell.
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#223274 - 08/04/04 09:49 PM
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THis will be my last post on this topic, as we've seemingly crossed into unchartered territory. First of all, the comment about pushing my child into traffic was a joke, a bit of levity. Maybe you are familiar with humor? Secondly, you are judging that I am not saved by God, that I am not embracing God, etc. Seeing as you know nothing about me, I have no idea how you could make that statement. But you did drive home my piont exactly...It seems that those with the "Christian" moniker always seem to impress their will upon others, and when questionsed, it seems like now I'm being damned to hell.
If you feel you are being damned to hell, perhaps you are putting that upon yourself. Did I not say quite clearly that we do not judge you at all, we leave that to God? Did I not offer you unconditional love? I don't believe I ever said you were damned to hell, the most I said is you need help. Also, I NEVER said you were going to hell or unsaved. I simply pointed out the danger for someone to not be saved, as well as an explanation of why as a good Christian, one must try to help others to enjoy the love of Christ. It is not out of judgement but compassion. It is only you that are taking it as judgement, or as someone saying you were bad. Also, my comments were quite clearly general, not aimed at you. Is there a reason you feel unsaved?
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#223275 - 08/04/04 09:51 PM
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...missing the chance at being embraced by God's love and forgiveness, and being Judged by as unworthy, unrepentant, and unsaved by Him is far worse than being hit by a car...
I'm not feeling in love from this statement, but I'm sure feeling judged...
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#223276 - 08/04/04 09:56 PM
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...missing the chance at being embraced by God's love and forgiveness, and being Judged by as unworthy, unrepentant, and unsaved by Him is far worse than being hit by a car...
I'm not feeling in love from this statement, but I'm sure feeling judged...
You should feel judged. God judges you. I did not judge you whatsoever, I simply told you what your choices were. That choice is yours to make. However, please note it was a general statement, not directed at you as well. To put the statement on yourself was your own judgement as well.
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#223279 - 08/04/04 10:21 PM
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First, there is forgiveness for doing wrong, so if you DID stone your neighbor, God would forgive you in Christ's name. All you have to do is repent and ask for His all encompassing Love and Forgiveness. This includes homosexuality. While these acts are sinful, repentance and forgiveness are never beyond reach. His love is always there.
Now wait a second...I don't need to ask forgiveness for stoning my neighbor, I have to ask for it for NOT stoning him, since stoning him is what I'm told to do in the bible.
You didn't cover why stoning and selling your daughter went out of fashion in a biblical way, but the views on homosexuality didn't? Could it possibly be that MAN chooses to take the piece of the bible they're in the mood for that week to support their position verses taking the whole bundle as fact?
Thank goodness the god I believe in isn't weighed down with these scriptures. I just don't have time enough in the day to stone the folks who need stoning based on scripture..and the rocks are hard as heck to dig out of the snow in the winter!
Dawnie, we have been getting along fabulously, but you obviously didn't read the start of my response....
The Old Testament is purely history. It is not the end all be all faith of Christianity. Christianity, with the advent of our Savior in Jesus Christ, changed from Judaism, which is what the Old Testament is from. In the New Testament, you will find that Christ showed us and told us how to live, he explained that some of the old testament is flat out WRONG.
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#223280 - 08/04/04 10:22 PM
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#223281 - 08/04/04 10:24 PM
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and could you give me an answer soon? The villagers are getting restless. 
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#223282 - 08/04/04 10:26 PM
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#223283 - 08/04/04 10:30 PM
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#223285 - 08/04/04 10:42 PM
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Oh thank God!! I thought for sure they would burn me. Dawnie you are an angel!! 
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#223286 - 08/04/04 10:45 PM
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is this the village that it takes to raise a child? or the village that always seems to be missing an idiot?
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#223287 - 08/04/04 10:49 PM
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No, the village isn't missing the idiot, I'm just at work right now. Apperances with the village idiot don't start until after 9:00. 
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#223290 - 08/05/04 01:54 AM
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If he is the one that will protect freedom, why are the Communist and Socialist parties in the US backing him as their candidate?
The Socialist Party has their own candidate http://www.politics1.com/socialist04.htm
and the Communist Party hasn't put up a candidate since 1984, but thanks for the misleading information.
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