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#428243 - 12/15/05 08:12 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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It is so hard to say-they both appear to have big problems looming...I thought going into last years finale, they both had a shot, but Tana's true colors came out.
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#428244 - 12/15/05 09:17 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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I agree that Rebecca should consider Donald as the MC. Editing always plays a big part; right now, Randall looks to be in the dumper - mainly because of his delegation, or lack thereof. He could've hired a lot more people to do the work he ended up doing. Rebecca looked great, and not having Joe Piscopo won't be a big show stopper for her. Tonite will tell!
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#428245 - 12/16/05 01:49 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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So, what sealed Rebecca's fate? As strong as she was, Randall was that much stronger. As for the fundraising, Rebecca was in a tough spot. Yahoo made it clear they didn't want agressive fundraising-but wouldnt the clients being invited there know it was fundraising for the AIDS foundation? Tough call.
Randall did not hesitate when The Donald asked him if Rebecca should be hired also, and Rebecca was probably stunned when he said no-i loved his line-This isnt the Apprenti...Good for him. Clearly the best candidate.
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#428246 - 12/16/05 01:49 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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Somehow I wasn't surprised that Randall pulled it off, although not counting on rain is pretty dumb. Of course, Carolyn runs a golf course so she always has plan B. Rebecca's event went well, but if the task was to raise money for charity, then she failed miserably. Rebecca I thought worked well all season, but last night during the final boardroom she seemed too rehearsed, not very well relaxed like Randal was. Alla took a cheap shot that really was uncalled for.

Overall, Randal was 3-0 as PM and Rebecca was 1-2 and that win came on the last task when it was her and Randal on the team. I never did get her defense of Toral nor the turnaround the next week. Randal was always chosen by the other team when they had to pick someone. He also had a lot of upside. When Randal said, "I run companies, Rebecca writes about them". I knew he won. Plus, frankly, I think her age was against her. Whether or not Trump really has you running these projects or you are a figurehead, I just don't see Rebecca gaining the respect from her co-workers because of her age.

After two very bad seasons, this Apprentice went way up in my book. No more of that complaining, whining and bitching that took place before. You could tell everyone wanted to win and work together and it just took on a more positive tone.

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#428247 - 12/16/05 02:03 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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I thought Randal was kind of a dick for saying there should be only one apprentice when Trump was obviously leaning towards hiring both of them. It just seemed spiteful and arrogant to me.

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#428248 - 12/16/05 02:10 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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I thought Randal was kind of a dick for saying there should be only one apprentice when Trump was obviously leaning towards hiring both of them. It just seemed spiteful and arrogant to me.




I agree with BF, it seemed petty of Randall. The thing I'd hoped he'd say was "If you don't hire her, Mr. Trump, I'd like to."

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#428249 - 12/16/05 02:21 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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I agree--I lost some respect for Randal when he was so adamant about Trump not hiring Rebecca. He was so positive throughout the process, I hated to see him end it looking petty and selfish.

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#428250 - 12/16/05 02:27 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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I was pulling for Rebecca but I do think when she didn't have any money to show at the end of the evening hurt her, she should have at least made an annoucement that the pledge cards were in the bags and to please think about sending in a contribution since they had a great evening. It was interesting to see that side of Randal when the Donald mentioned about hiring Rebecca as well. (I think he will find a place for her) so, Randal may have won a job for a year but Rebecca may be the bigger winner. I didn't expect his reaction at all and I did lose some respect for him at that point

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#428251 - 12/16/05 02:30 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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However, if he hired her then he was saying Randal was not the best. She clearly didn't deserve it as much as he. He made a good point...It's the apprentice not the apprenti. I for one have more respect for him because of those comments. He shows me that he can stand up for himself. I wouldn't worry about her. If Trump really wants to, he will hire her anyway.
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#428252 - 12/16/05 02:38 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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Lacking grace in victory isn't necessarily the same thing as standing up for oneself.

Asking to hire her himself would have underlined his having won the top spot, and at the same time validated the effectiveness of their prior working relationship.

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#428253 - 12/16/05 02:43 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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He probably could have softened the blow or been a bit more tactful, but I understand Randalls decision-who wants to share the gold medal? Trump announced him as the winner. If Trump wanted to, he could have brought on Rebecca, or could have said they were both fantastic (no argument here) and hired each of them to run the respective project.
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#428254 - 12/16/05 02:49 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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I really thought Randal was pretty good, up until last night. He said several things last night that just made me think he was a jerk. Rebecca was very respectful of Randal when answering questions from Trump. Randal was so full of himself I almost threw up.

Then when he said that Trump should not hire Rebecca, all I thought was "Holy Crap, you're scared of her!"

I would be not be surprised if you see Rebecca working for Trump in the near future.

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#428255 - 12/16/05 02:50 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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He probably could have softened the blow or been a bit more tactful, but I understand Randalls decision-who wants to share the gold medal? Trump announced him as the winner. If Trump wanted to, he could have brought on Rebecca, or could have said they were both fantastic (no argument here) and hired each of them to run the respective project.




Exactly.

Randal was under no obligation to offer her a position. He didn't bow to the preasure around him to do so. Yes, hiring her or saying Trump should hire her would be the "nice" thing to do. But let's face it. She lost.

It's like saying the team that loses the superbowl game should get rings too and the same money the winning team gets.

Clearly the best person for the job won!
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#428256 - 12/16/05 02:53 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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I think Randal did the right thing in saying no. If Trump wanted to hire them both, he could have done it. But if the game is one winner than that is the way it should be.

You know, all these contestants spend all those weeks defending themselves and trying to show Trump the mistakes made by others just so they won't be fired. It's really one person against all others regardless of the "team concept".

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#428257 - 12/16/05 02:55 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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I thought Randal was kind of a dick for saying there should be only one apprentice when Trump was obviously leaning towards hiring both of them. It just seemed spiteful and arrogant to me.




Nice language, Captain Christian.
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#428258 - 12/16/05 03:14 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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I think Trump made a mistake. Not taking away anything from Randal (although I thought he was a bit pompous last night), but her is why I think Rebecca is better.

Even though Randal had a better record, and he admittedly was good at getting his teams to perform well, he is not as much of a "get your hands dirty" worker. Many times I recall him kicking back on a pedestal while the worker bees did their thing. For example, what kind of leader lets someone spend all those hours setting up tents, banner sand chairs at the baseball field without at least getting them some help. He was horrible on the satellite radio task. Rebecca's record may not be as good, but she is great under pressure and she was always in there working her butt off. I really liked her answer about going thru a brick wall for Trump.

I think he made a mistake. (and I'm sorry, for Randal's "multi-million dollar business - that was one sorry conference room)

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#428259 - 12/16/05 03:30 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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Randal was already declared the winner by Trump - what harm would it have done for him to tell Trump he should also hire Rebecca (especially since Trump was obviously considering it and they had selected different projects)? I agree with Raymond - I think Randal was scared that Rebecca would outshine him. Plus, he seemed to want all of the glory for himself. Not a quality I would look for in an employee, but to each his/her own.

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#428260 - 12/16/05 03:37 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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If Randall had said to hire Rebecca:

1) He would have had to share the spotlight at that moment, and he had earned the right to have the spotlight only on him.
2) He would be faced with having Trump have to split his mentoring efforts over the next year between him and Rebecca instead of focused on him alone
3) He would be detracting from the premise of the show which is that one person will be chosen

He only told Trump that if making the hiring decision at that moment, that night, that he would not hire her then. He did not say Trump should not hire her at a later date, out of the spotlight or into a different position. Not only that, but because of her strong play, Rebecca will be fielding so many attractive offers over the next several weeks, that she won't sting much from not getting the Trump job.
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#428261 - 12/16/05 03:48 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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I agree with Raymond - I think Randal was scared that Rebecca would outshine him. Plus, he seemed to want all of the glory for himself. Not a quality I would look for in an employee, but to each his/her own.




Rebecca will be successful but I dont' think Randal was scared of her at all. He was very low key and I don't blame him for wanting to have the glory for himself. I think that kind of arrogance would have come across at some point during the season. I have worked with people who will not hire anyone that might outshine them or would in any way pass them by on the ladder and Randal didn't show those characteristics. He delegated a lot and didn't micromanage anyone (at least as far as we could see) and he really didn't trash anyone; he took responsibility for the incorrect marketing ad and not having a plan B (although he tried to skip around that fact). I never heard anyone else question the kind of person he was, some of his decisions, yes, but not his character and integrity.

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#428262 - 12/16/05 03:50 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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It was a tough call, since Trump was clearly impressed with both of them. I think the nail in her coffin was the lack of fundraising during the Yahoo event, which was the whole point of the tasks. I think if she had raised anywhere close to a similar amount Randall did, she would have won. I also think her not meeting Trump at the car was a mistake (that happens every year-don't people learn from that?)
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#428263 - 12/16/05 03:56 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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I just think Randall could have shown a bit more class. We'll never know what Rebecca might've said had it been her. The talk around the office here is that it was a stereotypical male reply (no, I'm not male bashing...many women just tend to lean toward wanting to good for all - not just one). I do hope she finds something either in his empire or in another - she was incredible for being so young.
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#428264 - 12/16/05 04:02 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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Did anyone else notice Randal's facial expressions? Sometimes it looks like his eyeballs were going to pop out of his head. I really respect his leadership skills and think he would make a great boss. The only suggestion that I would have for him is to be a little more poker faced (which is one area where Rebecca excelled). To be as good as he is you need to be a little arrogant and the show makes you assertively defend yourself. He came on stronger than he had in the past because it was the end and he didn't want the opportunity to get away. The Autism Speaks lady thought at first that he was too laid back, but changed her mind in the end. He really pulled it out.

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#428265 - 12/16/05 04:04 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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Go here: The Apprentice to see info from the show and cast your vote for whom you would've hired.
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#428266 - 12/16/05 04:10 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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Did Trump keep going after Toral because it makes good television or because he truly didn't like her? I think he didn't like her. But it was funny--and it made for good television.

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#428267 - 12/16/05 05:59 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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I don't know if anyone has read this or not, but it is really funny----

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4326967/from/RS.5/

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