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#428118 - 09/30/05 12:09 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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I asked my wife if these people A - Have never seen the show before and B - Don't listen to what Donald, George, and Carolyn are saying. It was so clear that although he was a train wreck Markus was staying and that if Mark would have been there he was going home. It never ceases to amaze me how these people try to protect "friends" that they have known for less than a month. You are playing a GAMESHOW!
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#428119 - 09/30/05 12:16 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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Early in Chris' task, when the plan for the TV commercial involved a vintage Lamboghini morphing into the new model, I thought that was a slam dunk. I seem to have missed how the ad turned into something else. What happened?

(And yes, Chris should have taken the hint, er, suggestion, er...)

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#428120 - 09/30/05 01:25 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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I thougt the guys campaign sucked to be honest. I think it could have been tweeked to be better, but they were so high on themselves they were blind.
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#428121 - 09/30/05 01:33 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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I was pretty upset that I didn't get to catch but the last 8 minutes of it.
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#428122 - 09/30/05 01:50 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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LOL. Yes, not a terribly bright move on his part and thus he deserved to go home. He really should have brought Mark in, for a fighting chance. He probably STILL would have gone home, but it wouldn't have been so cut & dried.
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#428123 - 09/30/05 02:07 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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Empress,

I think you're probably right. If he'd brought Mark in it would have turned in to one of those discussions on mistakes by a team-member vs. ultimate responsibility of the PM. Mark *might* have fallen on his sword and said something along the lines of "Chris trusted me to do this task, he'd looked at the early drafts, but I made changes too late for him to really address them,...."

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#428124 - 09/30/05 02:14 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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Early in Chris' task, when the plan for the TV commercial involved a vintage Lamboghini morphing into the new model, I thought that was a slam dunk. I seem to have missed how the ad turned into something else. What happened?

(And yes, Chris should have taken the hint, er, suggestion, er...)




I am a woman and thought the men's video was better, but their print campaign was terrible. Overall, there is no doubt the women were the correct choice. I wish they would have edited more in from the men's first meeting with Lamborg.... All that sticks out is Marcus' asking about smooth as silk. I don't remember if they came away with an idea of what the client wanted.

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#428125 - 09/30/05 02:18 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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I knew that the little i in Italian was going to bite them. I was also confused by the Green with envy thing. If the Lambo had been red in a sea of other green cars it may have made some sense......
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#428126 - 09/30/05 02:21 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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Within the meeting, Lamborghini clearly described that the new model was a 'rebirth' of the Lamborghini marque. That's why I thought that a TV ad showing the vintage morphing into the new model would have been such a winner.

As the ads turned out, the women's ad was much more compelling.

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#428127 - 09/30/05 03:09 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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thomasj, that is an excellent idea on the red Lamborghini in the sea of green cars. Maybe you should go on the show!

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#428128 - 09/30/05 03:14 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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Oh, you knew the men were doomed once they starting flappin' their yaps about "Heh, them li'l wimmens don't know nothin' 'bout no manly cars--now git back inta the kitchen, sugah!"

The print ads by the women looked pretty good, and I thought the approach to their commercial was pretty good. It's a high-end luxury product that only the elite can afford, so rather than beg and say "please buy our car", why not take the approach of "who says you're GOOD enough to buy our car"?

Anyway, yeah, the PM just cut his own throat. When Mr. Trump and Company STRONGLY suggest you do something in the board room, don't stand on pride--do it. The Donald won't think you're showing some spine by going against his unsubtle commands--he'll just take you for an idiot.

Markus is some kind of world-class clueless dork. I actually had to turn the sound off when he presented the ad agency with his brilliant cliche idea. He may be such an idiot savant that he manages to stay on for another few weeks, even though the editors continue to run the horn-honking Clown Theme every time he appears.

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#428129 - 09/30/05 03:36 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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thomasj, that is an excellent idea on the red Lamborghini in the sea of green cars. Maybe you should go on the show!




I think there may be a marketing genius lurking just below the surface of this Security/Compliance exterior. Talk about worlds colliding. If those two personalities ever meet I will likely explode.
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#428130 - 09/30/05 07:16 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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Not a good move at all. Although Marcus will surely get the boot, and he couldnt throw his teammates under the bus fast enough, it wasn't his fault they lost. Chris tried to cover for the others and he took one for the team. I personally thought the reward was disappointing...
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#428131 - 09/30/05 09:29 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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I personally thought the reward was disappointing...



It really stunk big time. Unless you are a fan of the NY Islanders, of course. But how many of those folks do you suppose are even hockey fans, much less NYI fans. Plus it looks like it could have turned out to be pretty costly for one of the girls. Wonder how Trumps liability coverage is looking.
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#428132 - 10/01/05 01:03 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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I know, I thought to myself, "Self", I thought, "He was probably expecting the guys to win this one."

BTW, who thinks now that Melania is pg, we're going to see a whole new level/type of tasks? "Design the best baby stroller in the universe! Market these diapers! Which colic remedy actually WORKS?"
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#428133 - 10/07/05 03:14 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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What did everyone think last night? I agreed that the presentation was poor for the women's team, and I also was glad that the women did not win based on their "cuteness" in the eyes of the old men. However, I was a little surprised that the PM survived this week. IMHO, the PMs are making odd choices regarding who returns to the boardroom every week.

On another note, has anyone else observed how desperately Carolyn needs a new hairdresser? Maybe she is modeling herself a little TOO closely after Trump!

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#428134 - 10/07/05 03:18 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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Yeah...you know. I think people are really basing who they are going to bring into the board room on emotion rather than professionalism. The girl that narrowly escaped being brougt into the board room because she was friends with the PM should have been the one to go. Not the other Jennifer. It should have been a choice between the Jennifer who went home and the one that didn't come into the board room.

And I totally knew that the PM was going to try and use her broken ankle as leverage and she did. What a weasel.
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#428135 - 10/07/05 05:24 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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Eh, I don't know. Did the women's presentation fail because Toral had problems working the HDTV, or did it bomb because of the extremely poor ancillaries like decorations, food, signage, et cetera? I think it's the latter. In which case, firing Jennifer W. makes more sense than nuking Toral. Just because Toral exudes contempt for the "sorority" and they dislike her in return is no reason to fire her for this particular task. I don't think she can win it, and her outbursts in the Boardroom were painful to watch, but the team seemed to be unloading on her just for spite. From that perspective, I admired Rebecca's refusal to bring her in.

On the men's team, I was more than a little stunned when the one guy just went off and decided that everything sucked and he needed to be on record as saying they were all doomed. That whole "okay, whatever, but I still think I'm right" was preadolescent. And then he was all, "George, you're a cranky old person--give us some insight into the world of senile nursing home folks." Smooth move, Holmes.

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#428136 - 10/07/05 05:51 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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Oh, man, I about DIED when he started asking George what people of "his generation" would think. That was BEYOND insulting. Moron. The only surprise was that it wasn't Markus saying that.
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#428137 - 10/07/05 06:09 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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Markus did very well this week. Toral will be out of there soon enough. Rebecca better wise up. Jennifer was the right one to leave. What last night's show brought home again to me was the giving back to the community. I really enjoyed those scenes.
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#428138 - 10/14/05 03:49 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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Last night was sure an easy choice for The Donald. I'm really starting to wonder about the intelligence of some of these candidates!

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#428139 - 10/14/05 03:51 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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I wish he would mix up the teams. I don't like the Boys V Girls thing. Women just don't work well in a pack...they get to worked up.
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#428140 - 10/14/05 04:28 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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Although it wasn't her fault they lost, clearly Toral was a polarizing person, and the team would continue to have problems. How friggin basic is it to include the DQ logo somewhere? Holy smokes.
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#428141 - 10/14/05 04:46 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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I know what you mean. It was so funny that they were saying they didn't want any DQ stuff on Zipp and then the marketing guys from DQ were asking where it was. I thought it was hilarious.
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#428142 - 10/14/05 04:57 PM Re: Apprentice (Donald style)
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I thought it was pretty big of the guy who offered to dress up as Jeannie on the guy's team. At least he put his foot down when it came to taping "certain areas" of his anatomy. The ladies' team is just a mess.
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