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#1121380 - 02/02/09 09:04 PM
Re: Octuplets
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What these people needed was some real debt and emotional counseling to figure out how to work out their situation. Root hog, or die. That's about it. My fear is that we will likely see more such stories. http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/137427.php
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#1121414 - 02/02/09 09:27 PM
Re: Octuplets
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![confused confused](/forum/images/graemlins/default/confused.gif) What's narcissistic about mourning the loss of those children? Maybe I'm in the minority here to express sorrow about the murder of children after they're born?
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#1121428 - 02/02/09 09:38 PM
Re: Octuplets
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I have a great deal of sorrow and sympathy for the children and those who loved them. I, unlike many, have zero sympathy for their murderer.
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#1121472 - 02/02/09 10:09 PM
Re: Octuplets
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Wouldn't this just be an extreme case of "selective reduction"?
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#1121480 - 02/02/09 10:16 PM
Re: Octuplets
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![confused confused](/forum/images/graemlins/default/confused.gif) What's narcissistic about mourning the loss of those children? Maybe I'm in the minority here to express sorrow about the murder of children after they're born? You pull an abortion argument in a thread like this????
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#1121505 - 02/02/09 10:42 PM
Re: Octuplets
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Losing your job doesn't give you the right to murder your children. Work 2-3 jobs, go on welfare/food stamps, or even give your kids to the state if necessary...there are lots of options besides murder.
Now back to the crazy lady with the 14 kids...
This woman is wrong on so many levels it isn't funny. IMO she shouldn't be allowed to have anymore kids if she can't support them herself.
Then some looney doctor turns this woman into an incubator with 8 embryos. Since she's already out of her mind, she decides to have them all.
Now we the people have more kids to support. Let's not forget about all of the other services we're going to foot the bill for down the line because this woman has to many kids to actually be a decent parent to any of them!
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#1121573 - 02/03/09 03:31 AM
Re: Octuplets
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I'm going to be really snarky about Kaiser since they are the folks handling this case. Maybe they figured that since they elimiated 5 kids from the world, Kaiser had fired parents of murder suicide family there is only a net gain of 3. I am having a very difficult time sorting this out. All kinds of money was/is being spent to bring these 8 babies into the world and while another family with 5 kids was tossed aside like a used lottery ticket. What the heck is wrong with you? Kaiser didn't kill those kids - their father did. Their father says a (thus far) nameless administrator said something mean to him. So he killed his family. The hospital says nothing of the kind was said to him. So you choose to believe...the murderer. Perfect.
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#1121741 - 02/03/09 04:00 PM
Re: Octuplets
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What the heck is wrong with you? Kaiser didn't kill those kids - their father did. Their father says a (thus far) nameless administrator said something mean to him. So he killed his family. The hospital says nothing of the kind was said to him. So you choose to believe...the murderer. Perfect. These are the same type of people that call Mumia Abu-Jamal a political prisoner instead of a cop-killer.
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#1121766 - 02/03/09 04:21 PM
Re: Octuplets
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this lady will need her own section in the stimulus and recovery bill now being made into sausage in Washington.....
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#1121791 - 02/03/09 04:53 PM
Re: Octuplets
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Offers are flying in for her to tell her story. HOW SICK! We have become such a sensationalized society that we want to know about things like this that are just - SICK - only word I can use to describe it. ::stepping off of soap box ![blush blush](/forum/images/graemlins/default/blush.gif) ::
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#1121808 - 02/03/09 05:06 PM
Re: Octuplets
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she put out that she will sell it for $2mm, and some poor schmuck will pay it, and even more stupid people will watch/read it. Just like people are hooked on Big Medicine, Little Big World, John and Kate plus 8, and the rest of the shows that glorify these people, they'll be hooked on this buffoon as well...
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#1121810 - 02/03/09 05:07 PM
Re: Octuplets
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...John and Kate plus 8, ... Don't be knockin' Pale's favorite show.
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#1122018 - 02/03/09 08:00 PM
Re: Octuplets
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I think there is a big difference between this woman and John & Kate. John & Kate both had careers, owned a home and made a decision to go through ivf for another child. They are not on any type of public assistance and have dealth with what was handed to them.
This woman has no job, no home, no father figure for 6 kids, and decides that it's ok to have 8 more. She was already on public assistance for her other kids and is now holding her hand out for the big payday.
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#1122041 - 02/03/09 08:07 PM
Re: Octuplets
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John and Kate, The Duggars, et al are all pimping themselves out... no one does it for free... while the situations to get there are different, and perhaps better on some levels, they too are using the media to help finance their day to day expenses, and or long term financial planning.
Just because they appear to be clean and aneat and orderly, makes them no better than this gal.
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#1122043 - 02/03/09 08:08 PM
Re: Octuplets
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I think there is a big difference between this woman and John & Kate. John & Kate both had careers, owned a home and made a decision to go through ivf for another child. They are not on any type of public assistance and have dealth with what was handed to them.
This woman has no job, no home, no father figure for 6 kids, and decides that it's ok to have 8 more. She was already on public assistance for her other kids and is now holding her hand out for the big payday.
I think you missed my point she put out that she will sell it for $2mm, and some poor schmuck will pay it, and even more stupid people will watch/read it. Just like people are hooked on Big Medicine, Little Big World, John and Kate plus 8, and the rest of the shows that glorify these people, they'll be hooked on this buffoon as well... _________________________ if people don't tune in, no one will pay...
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#1122077 - 02/03/09 08:25 PM
Re: Octuplets
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I still think there is a difference. I don't recall seeing The Duggars or John & Kate actively shopping around for someone to buy their stories. TLC offered them shows and I think the reason that their shows are successful is because people are interested in their characters as well as their sitations.
Maybe I am wrong, but I don't think that people are going to be interested in this woman or her character as everything comes out. She's turned herself into a baby making factory with no real plans and no means to support them.
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#1122135 - 02/03/09 09:05 PM
Re: Octuplets
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I can't believe that she thinks $2mil will carry her for the next 20 years. If they give her $2mil, after taxes, she'll net maybe $1mil. For that to last 20 years, (no interest) that's $50,000/yr. $50,000 divided by 15 (mom + 14 kids) = $3300/pp/yr. That won't even pay for a semester of meal plan at most colleges. You have to feel sorry for the kids ![frown frown](/forum/images/graemlins/default/frown.gif)
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#1122213 - 02/03/09 09:52 PM
Re: Octuplets
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Of course she thinks that will last her 20 years, she also thinks it's ok to have 14 kids by herself!
I do feel very sorry for those kids, even if she manages to get some money, none of those kids are going to have a full time parent or a decent relationship with her.
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#1122405 - 02/04/09 01:58 PM
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Not sure if this has been posted yet: Full story snip - Suleman retained Los Angeles publicists Michael Furtney and Joann Killeen on Friday and since then, the agents said they had fielded dozens of interview requests and offers for book, film and television deals. Some media reports have speculated that Suleman might be paid as much as $2 million for an interview, but Furtney said, "The money itself is not the object.
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