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#1845214 - 08/23/13 01:24 PM Maybe we should all quit?
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Study: Welfare pays more than minimum wage in most states


Welfare pays more than a minimum-wage job in 35 states, creating little incentive for Americans to take entry-level work and likely increasing their long-term dependency on government help, according to a new study by the libertarian think tank Cato Institute.
The finds come 17 years after the Clinton administration, with bipartisan support from Congress, passed landmark welfare reform legislation that was supposed to move Americans away from entitlements and into the workforce.
However, “welfare benefits continue to outpace the income that most recipients can expect to earn from an entry-level job,” the study authors said. “And the balance between welfare and work may actually have grown worse in recent years.”
Among the other findings is that welfare in 13 states pays more than $15 an hour, compared with the federal hourly minimum wage of $7.25.
The disparity was even higher in nine states in which welfare pays more than the average first-year teacher’s salary and in the six most-generous states, which pay more than the entry-level salary for a computer programmer.
The 52-page study, titled “The Work Versus Welfare Trade Off,” points out a full package of welfare benefits often exceeds take-home pay in part because benefits are tax-free.
The study’s author argues that if Congress and state legislatures are serious about reducing welfare dependence and rewarding work, they should consider strengthening welfare-to-work requirements, removing exemptions and narrowing the definition of work. This could include reducing benefit levels and tightening eligibility requirements.
Cato senior fellow Michael Tanner, who did a similar study in 1995, told FoxNews.com on Wednesday that the problem goes beyond legislative changes and that the country needs to reform its education system to better prepare Americans for the workforce.
He also repeated the argument that entry-level workers don’t stay at that level, arguing just 2.6 percent of full-time worker are poor and only 42 percent of Americans are engaged in work activities, which includes job training and looking for employment.
“We need to get people to think long term,” Tanner said
The Washington-based Center on Budget and Policy Priorities argues the study has several flaws, including that it "lumps together" a set of safety-net programs, including Medicaid, housing assistance and food stamps, and that "all poor families in which the parents aren’t working receive all of these benefits."
The study was also released amid a renewed standoff in Washington and elsewhere over whether to increase the minimum wage.
Fast-food workers in at least seven states have recently gone on strike to demand higher wages.
And President Obama last month again called to increase the minimum wage to $9 an hour for those who don’t get tips, saying “No one who works full-time in America should have to live in poverty.”
However, Congress appears to be in no hurry to fully address the issue.
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#1845226 - 08/23/13 01:44 PM Re: Maybe we should all quit? MB Guy
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The big take away is which 13 states are at 15 bucks an hour and which one of them has the lostest cost of living. It's time to retire baby!!!
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#1845257 - 08/23/13 02:15 PM Re: Maybe we should all quit? MB Guy
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Rather perverse, with all kinds of unintended consequences for everybody...
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#1845287 - 08/23/13 02:46 PM Re: Maybe we should all quit? Pale Rider
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I've never seen welfare compensation listed on a per hour basis. $15/hour of what?

No wonder the people I see hanging-out in the park have nicer phones than me.

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#1845294 - 08/23/13 02:55 PM Re: Maybe we should all quit? Wolfy
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Originally Posted By: Wolfy
The big take away is which 13 states are at 15 bucks an hour and which one of them has the lostest cost of living. It's time to retire baby!!!

Here you go!

http://news.msn.com/us/govt-aid-pays-more-than-a-minimum-wage-job-in-35-states
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#1845306 - 08/23/13 03:06 PM Re: Maybe we should all quit? MB Guy
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this is why there are too many people on welfare nowadays.

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#1845313 - 08/23/13 03:13 PM Re: Maybe we should all quit? MB Guy
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How sad that what I was paying my tellers was less than what they can earn on welfare. frown
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#1845327 - 08/23/13 03:27 PM Re: Maybe we should all quit? cheekEE
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Eddie Murphy - I got some ice cream and you can't have none cause you're on welfare................and your dad's an alcoholic
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#1845360 - 08/23/13 03:56 PM Re: Maybe we should all quit? cheekEE
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Originally Posted By: MonkEE
How sad that what I was paying my tellers was less than what they can earn receive on welfare. frown


Fixed. smirk
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#1845370 - 08/23/13 04:14 PM Re: Maybe we should all quit? MB Guy
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I really think the whole welfare system to be drastically changed. Cap out at 5 total years and 3 children. But that wouldn't win me popularity votes, no doubt.
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#1845382 - 08/23/13 04:25 PM Re: Maybe we should all quit? Bacon Boy
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I really think the whole welfare system to be drastically changed. Cap out at 5 total years and 3 children. But that wouldn't win me popularity votes, no doubt.


It would with me! smile

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#1845407 - 08/23/13 05:02 PM Re: Maybe we should all quit? GuitarDude
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Originally Posted By: GuitarDude
Originally Posted By: MonkEE
How sad that what I was paying my tellers was less than what they can earn receive on welfare. frown


Fixed. smirk


good fix.
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#1845521 - 08/23/13 07:02 PM Re: Maybe we should all quit? MB Guy
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And you get a free cell phone, because you CLEARLY can not afford a phone. Not with that Coach bag and that new manicure to pay for!!

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