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#185266 - 04/30/04 08:38 PM
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I'm a dyed-in-the-wool liberal, and I agree with Huddie - liberals resort to name-calling far too often. It makes me ashamed to have convince people that being a liberal doesn't mean that I call George Bush a fascist.
As for John Kerry, well, I'm not happy that he's my only option this time around. He's the kind of guy that gives the Dems a bad name, regardless of actual political beliefs - a waffler is a waffler on either side of the line.
Thanks. I have friends on both sides of the issues, but the name-calling is uncalled for. Stick to the issues as you see them, I say. If a person thinks what GWB or JK did 30 years ago in or out of the military is important, fine, let's discuss it rationally. But stop with the name calling.
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#185267 - 04/30/04 09:05 PM
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I don't listen to NPR news and I don't want to be European. I just want to hear all sides so I can make a reasonably informed decision on the topic of the day. I also watch Fox News, NBC News, and ABC news on occasion. When I go home for lunch and flip through the major networks for news, I really just don't see that much difference in the way the news is reported or in the slant that is put on the story. It's difficult to obtain unbiased info from any source.
Incidentally, there's more to Public TV than news - Masterpiece Theatre, Mystery Theatre, Great Performances, Between the Lions, etc. This is television I don't generally have to worry about screening before my daughter can watch.
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#185268 - 04/30/04 09:23 PM
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I don't have a problem with there being public radio or TV. The problem I have is saying that there should be public radio or TV because the other side isn't getting it's message out or its viewpoint heard. Public radio or TV is fine with me if it is a medium for facts, not opinion. If you want to express opinion, you need to go to the marketplace. No one in this country has a right to be heard. The Constitution merely prohibits the government from silencing you.
Guys like Rush, Hannity, Savage, et. al., are successful because they are saying things people want to hear, and they are doing so in a way that is enjoyable to listen to. The moment they cease to do that, they will lose their listeners. That's the bottom line. If the other side wants to express their opinion over the radio, then they need to learn how to compete with guys like Rush and Hannity.
About the name calling thing, usually you know you have won an arguement when the other person starts calling names. That's when they have lost the ability to mount a logical arguement and must resort to childishness. You usually see this with talk show callers and pundits. the talk show callers haven't thought through the arguement or are just using talking points, and most pundits don't have an original thought anyway. They are straight party line (that goes for both sides).
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#185270 - 05/03/04 03:48 PM
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We can have our own opinions on this issue, But the only opinion that counts (the Supreme Court) is on my side, and has been since 1933. At this advanced stage of history, they are unlikely to change their opinion.
There have been several comments made in this thread regarding the tendency of liberals to "name-call" when confronted with opinions they do not share. I wish that problem was limited to the left, but, sadly, that is not the case.
There are plenty of examples of prominent conservatives, including Rush Limbaugh, Pat Buchanan, and even our beloved Vice President, who have engaged in the same behavior. The threads in this forum have similar examples. Over the past thirty or so years there has been a general decline in the level of civil discourse in this country. All of us as a society bear the responsibility for this phenomenon.
Joker, thanks for keeping the discussion intellectual, and not emotional. I enjoyed the thought process our discussion provoked. I had to go back and read Article I again for the first time in a while. That was a good exercise.
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#185271 - 05/03/04 04:32 PM
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There have been several comments made in this thread regarding the tendency of liberals to "name-call" when confronted with opinions they do not share. I wish that problem was limited to the left, but, sadly, that is not the case.
There are plenty of examples of prominent conservatives, including Rush Limbaugh, Pat Buchanan, and even our beloved Vice President, who have engaged in the same behavior.
I would not argue with your assertion that some individuals on the right engage in criticism of the person, not the issue, but what has the VP done to deserve this label?
BTW, regarding the SCOTUS: I would say that the current court is as likely as not to fail to interpret the Constitution as written, rather than as desired by the political classes (who are, to be fair, elected by the people). But that doesn't make their ruling correct, or permanent.
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#185272 - 05/03/04 06:41 PM
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Some of the Vice President's recent attacks on John Kerry, as well as some of his rhetoric from the 2000 campaign, fall into this category. I will allow that he is fulfilling his role as the President's attack dog, but I would rather we retiire that role from Presidential politics.
If this court, which has shown the least reticence to label Congressional action as violating the 10th Amendment of any Court in history, has not acted to hold such spending unconstitutional, then I don't think any court subject to the advice and consent of the Senate will, either.
The best chance of such a ruling was in the 30s. The Court was populated alomost solely with "strict constuctionists" (William Douglas being the ntoable exception).
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#185273 - 05/03/04 06:55 PM
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Some of the Vice President's recent attacks on John Kerry, as well as some of his rhetoric from the 2000 campaign, fall into this category. I will allow that he is fulfilling his role as the President's attack dog, but I would rather we retiire that role from Presidential politics.
Any negative thing I have heard the VP say in this campaign, as well as in the 2000 campaign (with the exception of the "Big Time" comment, which was not intended for the public), has been directed at the policies of his opponent, not against the opponent personally. In fact, I specifically remember the 2000 VP debate as particularly issue-oriented:
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Cheney, Lieberman hold civil, thoughtful debate
October 6, 2000
DANVILLE, Kentucky (CNN) -- Republican Dick Cheney and Democrat Joe Lieberman held a calm, conversational vice presidential debate Thursday night, each outlining their differences without the acrimony that occasionally characterized [the previous] Tuesday's presidential debate.
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#185274 - 03/14/05 05:08 PM
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Tomorrow is Bob Edwards' last day as host. He'll be missed...
He'll be a 'senior correspondent' when he returns from his vacation, so we'll still hear him from time to time...
For instance, we hear today that Bob Edwards says George W Bush = Joe McCarthy.
(Hat tip to National Review.)
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#185275 - 03/14/05 05:35 PM
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*Sigh* Give it a rest already. Jokerman, you like to just poke the bee hive with a sharp stick, don't you? You don't like NPR, don't listen to it! I don't think it could be any more simple than that. I don't agee with Hannity or Rush, so I don't listen to them.
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#185277 - 03/14/05 08:22 PM
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Why are you always in such a state of high p*ss off? Unless someone is in complete agreement with you or your compatriots, you're so easily enraged. Why? I wasn't talking to you. I wasn't confrontational. I just don't see the point to re-activating an old thread merely to beat a dead horse some more.
And again, some post annonymously for obvious reasons. And again, you do not give any value to those who desire privacy. I'm sure you're known far and wide in your financial institution as Z, right? That's the name on your drivers's license and all that, right? Why is that also a problem with you that I prefer to be annonymous? I'm not insisting that you change anything that you do. I'm not insisting that you listen to anything that offends you and I'm not insisting that you read anything that I post. Truly, you gotta let some of this anger go. Not everyone is going to agree with everything you say.
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#185278 - 03/14/05 08:35 PM
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*Sigh* Give it a rest already.
I'll do whatever I wanna do - gosh!!!
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Jokerman, you like to just poke the bee hive with a sharp stick, don't you? You don't like NPR, don't listen to it! I don't think it could be any more simple than that. I don't agee with Hannity or Rush, so I don't listen to them.
Well, in reality, the question shouldn't be whether any of us like NPR or not - the question should be, is it an appropriate use of taxpayer dollars? However, the fact that I do not like the political slant of much of its content is illustrative of just one reason why this is not an appropriate use.
Z, thanks for getting my back. 
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#185279 - 03/14/05 08:40 PM
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Why are you always in such a state of high p*ss off? Unless someone is in complete agreement with you or your compatriots, you're so easily enraged. Why? I wasn't talking to you. I wasn't confrontational. I just don't see the point to re-activating an old thread merely to beat a dead horse some more.
And again, some post annonymously for obvious reasons. And again, you do not give any value to those who desire privacy. I'm sure you're known far and wide in your financial institution as Z, right? That's the name on your drivers's license and all that, right? Why is that also a problem with you that I prefer to be annonymous? I'm not insisting that you change anything that you do. I'm not insisting that you listen to anything that offends you and I'm not insisting that you read anything that I post. Truly, you gotta let some of this anger go. Not everyone is going to agree with everything you say.
Hmmm, I am p*ssed off! Let's read my post and yours and see who is angry. My post was not in anger; just asking questions. I apologize if it came off as me being p*ssed off. Your post did not exactly come off as friendly ya know.
Please show me one example of my getting enraged (except maybe at Mr. P a long time ago). I don't know who you are, but an example of you enraged is quoted right above. I am not enraged. If you thought I was enraged, I regret that you thought that.
I do not expect others to agree with me, just to be respectful if they don't agree. I think you kind of fell short of that mark.
I do not have compatriots here. When I speak my mind, I do not care if anyone else agrees.
You say you weren't talking to me? Hello...this is not a private conversation.
I don't care if you keep your anonymity, but I do not understand why you logged off to make this comment to Jokerman. I believe I recognized your writing style and it resembles a registered BOL'r. Why did you log off to post this when you don't for other posts?
Tell you what, if you will PM me and tell me which registered BOLr you are, I will not read or respond to any more of your posts. Otherwise, it is rather difficult to avoid you specifically without ignoring all anons. Many anons have a lot to add.
I'll delete my post if it will make you feel better--just let me know. No anger here.
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#185280 - 03/14/05 08:44 PM
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Z, thanks for getting my back.
I'm not getting your back; I'm speaking my mind. If you want me to get your back, you'll have to come up with an appropriate retainer. Gotta go--work beckons.
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#185281 - 03/14/05 08:45 PM
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Z, thanks for getting my back.
I'm not getting your back; I'm speaking my mind.
Whatever, Z. You know you only responded because we are compatriots.
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#185283 - 03/14/05 08:51 PM
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Z, thanks for getting my back.
I'm not getting your back; I'm speaking my mind.
Whatever, Z. You know you only responded because we are compatriots.
Can't possibly be Jokerman. Compatriot is derivative of a French word and you know how we (you and I) hate the French.
P.S. I think we are compatrios. I looked it up and it means: a person born, residing, or holding citizenship in the same country as another.
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#185284 - 03/14/05 08:54 PM
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Why are you always in such a state of high p*ss off? Unless someone is in complete agreement with you or your compatriots, you're so easily enraged
Anon, "Enraged? High P*ss Off?"
The guys were talking (and I'd say they're full of goober as usual since I disagree)  but...they aren't even close to enraged  Sheesh, beat them up about the issue if you disagree, but don't imply emotions they're not expressing.
DAWNIE--My Compatriot! (Or as I spelled it in my last post "compatrios." Thanks for getting my back!!
P.S. I am not logged in because it is too much trouble, but this is -Z-.
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#185285 - 03/14/05 09:04 PM
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Well, this thread sure has a long shelf-life. The thing I don't get is why, after 50+ responses, Jokerman chose to quote me in rekindling the debate.
My whole reason for posting in the first place was to express regret that I wouldn't hear Edwards on the air anymore. Here's a guy I'd listened to on my 40-or-more-mile commute every day since 1998. To me, he was the audio equivalent of a nice leather recliner or a comfortable pair of shoes.
Anyway, it's been a year and I've moved on sans Bob. Mike & Mike in the Morning is just fine, until the AM signal fades. I still listen to NPR periodically because they spend more time with a story than just a couple of headlines - couldn't care less about the politics.
Please continue your debate. I just want to be clear that I am not any of the anons above.
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#185286 - 03/14/05 10:46 PM
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Well, this thread sure has a long shelf-life. The thing I don't get is why, after 50+ responses, Jokerman chose to quote me in rekindling the debate.
Bartman, the only reason I quoted you was to give the context of the thread to someone who began reading at today's post. I meant no offense by choosing your post to quote. If you prefer, I can edit the thread to remove the reference.
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#185287 - 03/14/05 11:04 PM
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........and this is why Congressman Franks and Senator Kennedy supported the 1998 authorization to the Coporation for Public Broadcasting...........
That's reason enough for me to be suspect as to the content of most NPR stories.....
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#185288 - 03/14/05 11:20 PM
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Franks and Kennedy supports NPR...well that says it all.
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#185289 - 03/15/05 12:58 PM
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Not necessary - no harm done & no offense taken.
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#185290 - 03/15/05 01:08 PM
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*Sigh* Give it a rest already. Jokerman, you like to just poke the bee hive with a sharp stick, don't you? You don't like NPR, don't listen to it! I don't think it could be any more simple than that. I don't agee with Hannity or Rush, so I don't listen to them.
OK, this anon does not like Hannity or Rush and Jokerman doesn't like Bob Edwards. I assume that Anon does not like Hannity or Rush because she does not agree with their opinions. I also assume that Jokerman did not like Bob Edwards when he was on NPR because of his opinions. My problem with this scenario is twofold:
1) Hannity and Rush make no claims to be unbiased. In fact, their jobs are to be biased. Neither of these men are newsreporters or anchormen. They are commentators. Bob Edwards on the otherhand, was not a commentator for NPR, was he?
2) Bob Edwards was on a government supported station. I would assume that a government supported station would not favor either of the political spectrums. Even if Bob Edwards merely read the news without comment, it seems to me that the newsroom at NPR should be filled with as many conservatives as moderates as liberals. It should be diverse, but it is not. A newsroom full of one viewpoint is not going to produce news that is not biased. It just is not going to happen. Both the stories they choose to cover and the way they write their copy will reflect a bias. It will be nuanced and often subtle, but it will be there. Here is an example of a subtle bias at ABC News: When Clinton had been in office 3 days, he made an executive order relating to funding abortions overseas. Peter Jennings reported it by saying that Clinton had kept a campaign promise. Three days after Bush arrived in office, he repealed Clinton's executive order. Peter Jennings reported it by saying Bush was giving a nod to the conservatives in his party (I am not sure of the exact wording). This is subtle, but this is bias.
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