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#633380 - 11/02/06 07:50 PM
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I think she should just do what she feels is right and leave it at that
the irony of winning elections due to a person, not running in these elections, doing the very same thing...
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#633381 - 11/02/06 07:53 PM
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in 6 years can you be one of the liberal voters i can use as example of people that only care about the "team" winning?
Don't worry, Sweetpeas, in six years, with any luck, Ron won't be half as self-righteous as he is today.
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#633383 - 11/02/06 07:54 PM
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"I mean, there are a FEW people that I'm sure I'm smarter than...but not everyone."
Nice.
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#633384 - 11/02/06 07:54 PM
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Which group do you think you're in, Sing?
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#633385 - 11/02/06 07:57 PM
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I wouldn't count on the Republicans winning the Senate race in New Jersey. Yes, the polling numbers do seem to indicate the race is tightening of late, but that's not unusual. Menendez has consistently run ahead of Kean, and at least one poll I saw indicated that 87% of the probable voters had already made up their mind. Kean's numbers are within the margin of error, but it's hard to believe that a bare knuckle fighter from the heart of Hudson County's Democratic machine won't find a way to win.
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#633386 - 11/02/06 08:05 PM
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-5- I have seen the way you attack people in several threads and I am not going to play that game with you.
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#633387 - 11/02/06 08:06 PM
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Too close to call in Wisconsin. Everyone is running neck and neck in all the races.
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#633388 - 11/02/06 08:07 PM
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-5- I have seen the way you attack people
You mean, like a Liger?
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I am not going to play that game with you.
They wouldn't let poor -5- join in any Liger games.
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#633390 - 11/02/06 08:52 PM
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Yeah, Denny Hastert has definitely been a far right-winger. I mean he's...uh, he's...what has he done, again?
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#633391 - 11/02/06 08:58 PM
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Yeah, Denny Hastert has definitely been a far right-winger. I mean he's...uh, he's...what has he done, again?
Mostly nothing other then be Dubya's mouthpiece in the House...that and cover up for Mark Foley...
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#633392 - 11/02/06 09:00 PM
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-5- I have seen the way you attack people in several threads and I am not going to play that game with you.
Sing, can you show me a personal attack by -5-?
I know I have (out of sheer disgust) and I am trying to stop that, but not sure I have seen -5- attack anyone without being attacked first.
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#633393 - 11/02/06 09:06 PM
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The Dems taking control of the House is pretty much a forgone conclusion at this point. I predict the Dems will pick up 3-4 seats in the Senate. There's one school of thought that it might be good for the GOP to retain a narrow margin in congress though, because they would have 2 more years to self-destruct and leave the path wide open for a Democratic presidential victory in '08.
I don't like the thought of Pelosi as Speaker. We would just go from partisan far right-wing to partisan far left-wing.
Nancy is not as left-wing as you make out. What she is good at doing is keeping her caucus in line. You notice that she's quashed any talk of impeachment. If you look at her 100 hour promise, there's nothing there that smacks of retribution or revenge -- much to the disappointment of the left-wing of the party. To govern effectively as Speaker, Nancy will have to govern from the center.
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#633395 - 11/02/06 09:51 PM
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Nancy is not as left-wing as you make out.
As documented by ontheissues.org
Strongly favors abortion as a woman's right.
Strongly favors requiring companies to hire more women & minorities.
Stronly favors sexual orientation protection in civil rights laws.
Strongly opposes teaching of family values in public schools.
Strongly favors more federal funding for health coverage.
Opposes privitization of social security.
Strongly opposes parents choosing schools via vouchers.
Strongly opposes death penalty.
Strongly opposes mandatory three strikes sentencing laws.
Strongly opposes absolute right to gun ownership.
Strongly opposes decreasing taxation of the wealthy.
Strongly favors opportunity for illegal immigrants to earn citizenship.
Neutral on expanded free trade.
Strongly believes the Patriot Act harms civil liberties.
Opposes more spending on armed forces.
Favors stricter limits on campaign funds.
Favors withdrawal from Iraq.
Strongly favors replacing coal and oil with alternatives (badly worded - she supports federal spending to accomplish this goal)
Strongly opposes idea that drug use is immoral and enforcing laws against it.
Strongly opposes churches provision of welfare services.
Rated: Left/Liberal
Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)
Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)
Voted NO on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003)
Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)
Rated 100% by National Abortion Rights Action League
Voted NO on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
Voted NO on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage. (Sep 2004)
Voted NO on protecting the Pledge of Allegiance. (Sep 2004)
Voted NO on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration. (Jun 2003)
Voted NO on ending preferential treatment by race in college admissions. (May 1998)
Rated 87% by the ACLU
Rated 34% by US Chamber of Commerce
Voted NO on making federal death penalty appeals harder. (Feb 1995)
Voted YES on replacing death penalty with life imprisonment. (Apr 1994)
Voted NO on military border patrols to battle drugs and terrorism. (Sep 2001)
Voted NO on prohibiting needle exchange and medical marijuana in DC. (Oct 1999)
Voted to legalize medical marijuana. (Jul 2001)
Voted NO on allowing vouchers in DC schools. (Aug 1998)
Opposes requiring schools to allow school prayer. (Jan 2001)
Rated 100% by the NEA.
Voted NO on scheduling permitting new oil refineries. (Jun 2006, Oct 2005)
Voted to prohibit drilling and development in ANWR. (Aug 2001, Feb 2001)
Voted YES on starting implementation of Kyoto Protocol. (Jun 2000) NOTE: This was unanimously defeated in the Senate.
Voted NO on reducing Marriage Tax. (Mar 2001)
Rated 8% by the Christian Coalition.
Voted NO on Central America Free Trade.
Rated 29% by CATO.
Voted NO on limiting atty's fees in class action lawsuits. (Feb 2005)
Voted NO on restricting frivolous lawsuits. (Sep 2004)
Voted NO on prohibiting product misuse lawsuits on gun manufacturers. (Oct 2005, Apr 2003)
Rated "F" by the NRA.
Voted NO on capping damages and setting time limts in medical lawsuits. (Mar 2003)
Voted NO on banning physician-assisted suicide. (Oct 1999)
Voted NO on continuing military recruitment on college campuses. (Feb 2005)
Voted NO on deploying missle defense. (Mar 1999)
Rated 100% by SANE.
Voted NO on bill to prohibit tipping off Mexicans about Minuteman Project. (Jun 2006)
Rated 87% by AFL-CIO.
Voted NO on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains and dividends. (Dec 2005)
Voted NO on providing tax relief and simplification. (Sep 2004)
Voted NO on eliminating Estate Tax ('death tax'). (Apr 2001)
Voted NO on tax cuts for small business. (Mar 2000)
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#633396 - 11/02/06 10:10 PM
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Nancy is not as left-wing as you make out.
As documented by ontheissues.org
Strongly favors abortion as a woman's right.
Strongly favors requiring companies to hire more women & minorities.
Stronly favors sexual orientation protection in civil rights laws.
Strongly opposes teaching of family values in public schools.
Strongly favors more federal funding for health coverage.
Opposes privitization of social security.
Strongly opposes parents choosing schools via vouchers.
Strongly opposes death penalty.
Strongly opposes mandatory three strikes sentencing laws.
Strongly opposes absolute right to gun ownership.
Strongly opposes decreasing taxation of the wealthy.
Strongly favors opportunity for illegal immigrants to earn citizenship.
Neutral on expanded free trade.
Strongly believes the Patriot Act harms civil liberties.
Opposes more spending on armed forces.
Favors stricter limits on campaign funds.
Favors withdrawal from Iraq.
Strongly favors replacing coal and oil with alternatives (badly worded - she supports federal spending to accomplish this goal)
Strongly opposes idea that drug use is immoral and enforcing laws against it.
Strongly opposes churches provision of welfare services.
Rated: Left/Liberal
Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)
Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)
Voted NO on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003)
Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)
Rated 100% by National Abortion Rights Action League
Voted NO on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
Voted NO on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage. (Sep 2004)
Voted NO on protecting the Pledge of Allegiance. (Sep 2004)
Voted NO on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration. (Jun 2003)
Voted NO on ending preferential treatment by race in college admissions. (May 1998)
Rated 87% by the ACLU
Rated 34% by US Chamber of Commerce
Voted NO on making federal death penalty appeals harder. (Feb 1995)
Voted YES on replacing death penalty with life imprisonment. (Apr 1994)
Voted NO on military border patrols to battle drugs and terrorism. (Sep 2001)
Voted NO on prohibiting needle exchange and medical marijuana in DC. (Oct 1999)
Voted to legalize medical marijuana. (Jul 2001)
Voted NO on allowing vouchers in DC schools. (Aug 1998)
Opposes requiring schools to allow school prayer. (Jan 2001)
Rated 100% by the NEA.
Voted NO on scheduling permitting new oil refineries. (Jun 2006, Oct 2005)
Voted to prohibit drilling and development in ANWR. (Aug 2001, Feb 2001)
Voted YES on starting implementation of Kyoto Protocol. (Jun 2000) NOTE: This was unanimously defeated in the Senate.
Voted NO on reducing Marriage Tax. (Mar 2001)
Rated 8% by the Christian Coalition.
Voted NO on Central America Free Trade.
Rated 29% by CATO.
Voted NO on limiting atty's fees in class action lawsuits. (Feb 2005)
Voted NO on restricting frivolous lawsuits. (Sep 2004)
Voted NO on prohibiting product misuse lawsuits on gun manufacturers. (Oct 2005, Apr 2003)
Rated "F" by the NRA.
Voted NO on capping damages and setting time limts in medical lawsuits. (Mar 2003)
Voted NO on banning physician-assisted suicide. (Oct 1999)
Voted NO on continuing military recruitment on college campuses. (Feb 2005)
Voted NO on deploying missle defense. (Mar 1999)
Rated 100% by SANE.
Voted NO on bill to prohibit tipping off Mexicans about Minuteman Project. (Jun 2006)
Rated 87% by AFL-CIO.
Voted NO on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains and dividends. (Dec 2005)
Voted NO on providing tax relief and simplification. (Sep 2004)
Voted NO on eliminating Estate Tax ('death tax'). (Apr 2001)
Voted NO on tax cuts for small business. (Mar 2000)
So what's your point. In my view, these are all mainstream views unless you're a right-wing neocon.
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#633397 - 11/02/06 10:15 PM
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So when you have ratings of 87-100 from some groups, and ratings of 34-8 by others, that's the middle of the road?
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#633398 - 11/02/06 10:16 PM
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MB, your pal -5- made the following comment:
"I mean, there are a FEW people that I'm sure I'm smarter than...but not everyone."
I replied with: "Nice."
He then replied with: "Which group do you think you're in, Sing?"
You don't think that is a personal attack? He obviously thinks he's superior, and when I noted that his comment was rude he implied that he's superior to me. I'm not exactly feeling all warm and fuzzy over here MB.
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#633399 - 11/02/06 10:21 PM
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Lol, I guess it depends on your perspective, don't you think?
If you believe that you're in the smarter group then I don't see the insult.
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#633400 - 11/02/06 10:35 PM
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So when you have ratings of 87-100 from some groups, and ratings of 34-8 by others, that's the middle of the road?
I would be proud to have an 87% rating from the ACLU (of which I am a member), 100% by the NEA, 8% from the Christian Coalition, and an F from the NRA.
To answer your question, if you average the good grades with the bad grades, you will get a middle-of-the-road average grade.
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#633401 - 11/02/06 10:37 PM
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So what's your point. In my view, these are all mainstream views unless you're a right-wing neocon.
Yeah, well, your view is seriously warped. This is the whole problem with the media bias argument. Conservatives at least recognize conservatism. Liberals all think they're moderate! Oh well. It won't take the voters long to recognize it.
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#633402 - 11/02/06 10:42 PM
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MB, your pal -5- made the following comment:
"I mean, there are a FEW people that I'm sure I'm smarter than...but not everyone."
I replied with: "Nice."
He then replied with: "Which group do you think you're in, Sing?"
You don't think that is a personal attack? He obviously thinks he's superior, and when I noted that his comment was rude he implied that he's superior to me.
I don't know why in the world you assume that I was targeting YOU with anything I said?! I asked which group you thought you were in so that I could correct you if you thought you were in the group that I was smarter than. I don't know you or your posts, so I have no basis to form an opinion.
(Though I'm beginning to...  )
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#633403 - 11/02/06 10:43 PM
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So when you have ratings of 87-100 from some groups, and ratings of 34-8 by others, that's the middle of the road?
I would be proud to have an 87% rating from the ACLU (of which I am a member), 100% by the NEA, 8% from the Christian Coalition, and an F from the NRA.
To answer your question, if you average the good grades with the bad grades, you will get a middle-of-the-road average grade.
But when the groups giving you the high scores are all leftward oriented, and the groups giving you the low scores are all rightward oriented, that puts you far to the left on the continuum. That may be mainstream in your political circles, but I doubt it would be considered such in too many others.
Which is, I guess, how Representative Pelosi would be perceived.
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#633404 - 11/02/06 10:48 PM
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If you take away all the (extremely repetitive) rhetoric by the far-right wingers, I think you'll find that Nancy Pelosi is not perceived as extremely leftist by any conservatives on either side of the aisle OR by any liberals.
I predict the Democrats will pick up 4 or 5 seats in the Senate and will easily take control of the House.
I hope everyone's going out to vote, and if you think voting is important, find out how you can get involved in aiding the voting process. Many places are still looking for polling place watchers/observers, election judges, and there are also many organizations that organize carpools/rides for those who can't drive to their polling places. I'd love to see a huge voter turnout this time around. Do your part if you think voting is important!
Edited to fix a word choice error and add 1 clarification. Oops.
Last edited by MyBrainIsFull; 11/02/06 10:49 PM.
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