Skip to content
BOL Conferences
Thread Options
#784438 - 07/27/07 03:05 PM CRA Assessment area
lighthouse Offline
Junior Member
lighthouse
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 45
Is it permissable to define the bank's CRA Asessment area strictly by
1) MSA area delineations ?

2) census tract delineations ?

rather than by county.
Management does not want to include the whole county of some of the counties our branches are located in.

Return to Top
CRA
#784468 - 07/27/07 03:18 PM Re: CRA Assessment area lighthouse
Pale Rider Offline
10K Club
Pale Rider
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 34,318
under the Lone Star
your AA needs to be closely associated with deposits and loan applications/originations, geocoding will tell you this

one caveat: do not appear to be excluding LMI CTs

the AA could be the MSA, the answer to your question could be yes, but..........
_________________________
Societies that do not find work in and of itself "pleasing to God and requisite to Man," tend to be highly corrupt.


Return to Top
#784503 - 07/27/07 03:30 PM Re: CRA Assessment area lighthouse
ktac MITCH Offline
Diamond Poster
ktac MITCH
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 1,813
Giant side of TX
See Section 228.41 of Reg BB below - (d) on limiting, or adjusting the assessment area.

There is always a danger if you start adjusting the area down from an entire MSA or an entire county. Examiners will immediately wonder if you are limiting in order to try and discriminate. At a previous bank I did just what you are proposing - we were expanding and had put one branch location in a county, logically we could not expect to serve the entire county from the one location BUT examiners did not like the limitation. So my experience says your logic for excluding certain census tracts or parts of a county might pass muster only if what you are excluding is high income areas ???

(c) Geographic area(s) for other banks. The assessment area(s) for a bank other than a wholesale or limited purpose bank must:
(1) Consist generally of one or more MSAs or metropolitan divisions (using the MSA or metropolitan division boundaries that were in effect as of January 1 of the calendar year in which the delineation is made) or one or more contiguous political subdivisions, such as counties, cities, or towns; and
(2) Include the geographies in which the bank has its main office, its branches, and its deposit-taking ATMs, as well as the surrounding geographies in which the bank has originated or purchased a substantial portion of its loans (including home mortgage loans, small business and small farm loans, and any other loans the bank chooses, such as those consumer loans on which the bank elects to have its performance assessed).

(d) Adjustments to geographic area(s). A bank may adjust the boundaries of its assessment area(s) to include only the portion of a political subdivision that it reasonably can be expected to serve. An adjustment is particularly appropriate in the case of an assessment area that otherwise would be extremely large, of unusual configuration, or divided by significant geographic barriers.
_________________________
My opinions are just that, and might be worth what you paid for them.

Return to Top
#784660 - 07/27/07 04:47 PM Re: CRA Assessment area ktac MITCH
bOaty Offline
Power Poster
bOaty
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 4,266
Chillin an grillin
We have a few counties with only one branch but we still use the entire county as the AA. The examiners will know that one branch cannot logically serve the whole county and they will also know that you are not purposely excluding certain areas. Win-Win.
_________________________
HMDAHMDAHMDAHMDAHMDAHMDA

Return to Top
#784688 - 07/27/07 05:04 PM Re: CRA Assessment area bOaty
Pale Rider Offline
10K Club
Pale Rider
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 34,318
under the Lone Star
Boat: we do the same in Texas, and those counties are huge!
_________________________
Societies that do not find work in and of itself "pleasing to God and requisite to Man," tend to be highly corrupt.


Return to Top
#784806 - 07/27/07 06:22 PM Re: CRA Assessment area Pale Rider
bOaty Offline
Power Poster
bOaty
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 4,266
Chillin an grillin
Well pardner, I hear thay grow everthin big in Texas!!
_________________________
HMDAHMDAHMDAHMDAHMDAHMDA

Return to Top
#785182 - 07/27/07 09:40 PM Re: CRA Assessment area bOaty
Princess of Power Offline
Gold Star
Princess of Power
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 406
Napa, CA
Charter Oak Bank in Napa, CA is searching for a compliance officer that would also entail CRA- check out their website if interested.

Return to Top
#785284 - 07/28/07 11:49 PM Re: CRA Assessment area Princess of Power
bOaty Offline
Power Poster
bOaty
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 4,266
Chillin an grillin
Thanks Princess!!
_________________________
HMDAHMDAHMDAHMDAHMDAHMDA

Return to Top
#786043 - 07/30/07 10:32 PM Re: CRA Assessment area bOaty
Len S Offline
Diamond Poster
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 2,146
Connecticut
We consult with hundreds of banks all over the country and we routinely advise banks to designate those areas that their branch network reasonably can be expected to serve. Most of these banks select parts of counties and MSA's. Section -.41(d) allows banks to adjust their AA's to areas they can "reasonably be expected to serve". The fact is that many banks adopt entire counties and MSA's with the mistaken idea that they must do so. We have never seen a client of ours criticized for adjusting their AA to smaller political subdivisions. In fact, not only is that unrealistic, it can create artificial pressure on the bank because performance standards are performance context driven and the description of the AA is one of the biggest performance context factors. Everything else is related including demographic and loan market data. In other threads I have written about a step by step process that will assure your bank is in compliance with the regulation's technical requirements while simultaneously adopting an AA that will minimize performance expectations.
_________________________
CRA Exam Preparation, CRA Performance Evaluations, Key Performance Benchmarks, & maps

Return to Top
#786104 - 07/31/07 05:29 AM Re: CRA Assessment area Len S
Princess Romeo Offline

Power Poster
Princess Romeo
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 8,272
Where the heart is
Yes - it's that infamous "Compliance Answer" we all dread...

Q: "Should an Assessment Area consist of an entire MSA or county? Or should it consist of a smaller subdivision?"

A: It depends.
_________________________
CRCM,CAMS
Regulations are a poor substitute for ethics.
Just sayin'

Return to Top
#786493 - 07/31/07 06:00 PM Re: CRA Assessment area Princess Romeo
Don_Narup Offline

Power Poster
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,708
Las Vegas Nevada
There are several things to consider when selecting only some track in a county.

You must know the census tract income classifications of all the tracks in a county and the municipal boundaries of cities in the county.

You need to know the track classifications and some demographic information in order to demonstrate that the tracks you select do not appear to arbitrarily omit low and moderate income census tracts or areas of high concentrations of a minority population. This can get tricky especially when it can appear that you purposely omit and do not lend in these areas.

Whole counties are usually picked because they eliminate the possibility of this happening. Whole counties are also NORMALLY AND USUALLY selected because census data is broken down by county and easier to obtain. You can get data on selected tracts but its more time consuming to obtain the data.

The assessment area tracts must be whole geographies so you need to make sure you have all the tracts of a municipality in the area you select.

So do you have to select whole counties - No but you better know what your are doing in order to comply with establishing assessment area per regulations.

Another reason to select whole counties is the examiners are using a product and procedures that makes it difficult for them to do an analysis with just some tracts being in an assessment area. I find that some institutions that have selected some tracts in a county wind up eventually selecting the whole county because regulators find reason for them to do so. Examiners know full well an make allowances for areas that you cannot service but are in your assessment area just beause the tract is in a county.

Because not all geographic areas are the same it is much easier for some institutions to select some tracts in a county and very difficult for some in more populated counties to do so.

As Bonnie M stated "it depends" It is not always reasonable to do something just because you can,
_________________________
Compliance Analysis and Research - Software for your CRA/HMDA analysis needs

Return to Top
#786499 - 07/31/07 06:10 PM Re: CRA Assessment area Don_Narup
Princess Romeo Offline

Power Poster
Princess Romeo
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 8,272
Where the heart is
For those familiar with Southern California, a perfect example of this conundrum is for very small banks located in either Los Angeles County or San Bernardino County.

Los Angeles County is quite large and extends from the densly populated ocean areas all the way to the sparsely populated high desert. There are some pronouced geopgraphical barriers in between a few of the areas in this county, and traffic is a nightmare. Most rational people simply do not contemplate driving from one end of the county to another unless forced to do so because of the job they have taken.

San Bernardino County is quite simply thee largest county in the nation. It's huge and relatively empty. Lots of tumbleweeds that don't necessarily need banking services.

There is an area where Los Angeles County is right next to San Bernardino County.

So imagine the dilema of a very small bank located in one corner of one of these counties, or worse, a very small bank that straddles both sides of these counties.

Even worse is the ISB in the same situation.

It's one of those situations where one has to step back and simply say..."Dear lord...give me a break!"


P.S. Edited to say - a pleasant surprise to see you Don!
Last edited by Bonnie M; 07/31/07 06:12 PM.
_________________________
CRCM,CAMS
Regulations are a poor substitute for ethics.
Just sayin'

Return to Top