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#1274011 - 10/26/09 08:01 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 MarieR
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You partly can't blame HUD on the FAQ's...questions are still rolling in to be answered. They could just say...figure it out for yourself!

I think the bigger problem is there have been so many changes that we are all having to take them in order of effective date so the opportunity to develop questions sooner just didn't happen.
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#1274012 - 10/26/09 08:02 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 Sinatra Fan
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So last week HUD emphatically denies the request for a delay in the effective date of the RESPA changes, stating that the industry will have had 14 months in which to prepare, which should be adequate time.

The same day they post additional FAQs on the changes! I hope 14 months will be adequate time for HUD. In the last answer of the 10-07-09 FAQs, they indicate they have not yet revised the Settlement Cost Booklet. Any guesses on how soon before January 1 this will be available? confused


I don't know. HUD told us to call back the first week of January 2010 to check if the booklets were updated by then.

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#1274015 - 10/26/09 08:05 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 pjs
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shocked What??? So, if that timeline is correct, we will be handing out old booklets with new GFE's, and neither will bear much relationship to the other.
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#1274016 - 10/26/09 08:06 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 Sinatra Fan
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Yeppers, I couldn't even pre-order the new booklets.

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#1274101 - 10/26/09 09:06 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 Still Smiling
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Can anyone tell me where an advance mortgage release fee would be on the GFE?


Anyone?
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#1274134 - 10/26/09 09:29 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 Still Smiling
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If FHA requires an inspection of the septic system, etc, would the inspection be a lender required settlement service? FHA isn't really the lender or originator, but the lender wouldn't grant the loan under these terms if FHA refuses to insure it. If it is a lender required settlement service, should we consider this a changed circumstance and issue a revised GFE showing this in section #6? (assuming the borrower can select the inspector).

Then, if the inspector identifies that repair work is needed, how should we handle the cost of the repair work on the GFE and HUD-1?
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#1274382 - 10/27/09 12:28 AM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 starfish
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Our Mortgage Department received notification from a title company that effective immediately, they would be using the average charge pricing under the new RESPA rules for government recording fees. They told us we have no option but to begin doing this immediately. My concern is that the bank is the one responsible for RESPA accuracy when the examiners are here. How do I know that the title company used the correct method to establish the average charge? Also, it would seem that every title company should be using the same average charge if this is the case because it's government recording fees. The average charge they came up with for residential refinances is $93.00 and residential purchase is $153.00. In a quick review of recent refinances, the price is typically $60.00 or under. The title company states that they will no longer charge for addtional recorded documents such as quit claim deeds, power or attorney recording or subordination recording fees. However, most of our transactions do not include these fees. Also, subordination recording fees are a finance charge so how will I be able to comply with Reg Z if they lump all of this together as an average charge? I'm hoping some others have insight into what their local title companies are doing.


Well you are still able to come up with your own GFE and assign the charge that you think will best represent the loan. IMO the title company might just be doing it to help you out. I see this as a good thing and it might help you better analyze the expected price of recording fees. If you contact the title company and they say it will cost $17, but you think it will cost $25, then by all means, put $25 on the GFE. So long as your estimate is in good faith, I don't see an issue.

On the other hand if you guess low, you may be curing it.
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#1274480 - 10/27/09 11:37 AM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 pjs
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Yeppers, I couldn't even pre-order the new booklets.


Great.....
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#1274705 - 10/27/09 02:03 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 Tigg
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For a junior lien home equity loan we do not require title insurance. We contract with a company (not a title company) to perform a records search for deed and mortgage information. The applicant has no choice in who provides the service.

Is this a Block #3- Required Service or a Block #4- Title Service.

Also, what line on the HUD-1A should it be placed on?

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#1274834 - 10/27/09 03:01 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 RR Joker
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Has anyone come up with a CHECKLIST of sorts to use???

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#1274844 - 10/27/09 03:09 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 dottiec
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dottiec, I'd say it's a title service and it goes on line 1103 on the HUD.

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#1274884 - 10/27/09 03:30 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 MarieR
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In regards to the attorney fees - we have some attorneys that break out their fee neatly for us to pull the doc prep out (for exhibit and/or deed) and some that just have one fee for prepared exhibit for mortgage and title opinion. Do I need to have the fee broken out by the attorney (I think yes) or can I just group it with title services since it is one fee? I think I know the answer, but don't want the attorney battle.


Can I add another question?
Currently our attorney fee is grouped and the doc prep is only a small portion so we do not use it as part of the finance charge. Am I correct in that since we have to break the fee out the doc prep fee that on the HUD it will also be part of line 801 and a finance charge or can we still exclude it from the finance charge? I am so confused anymore!!!
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#1275145 - 10/27/09 05:51 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 Still Smiling
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Originally Posted By: Still Smiling
Originally Posted By: Still Smiling
Can anyone tell me where an advance mortgage release fee would be on the GFE?


Anyone?


That question was presented to me a few days ago. I've decided that it shouldn't be charged on a RESPA-related loan...what is my reasoning? You may or may not use that fee, so isn't that like an "unearned fee or upcharging" of sorts? We've requested dismissal of that fee as a cost of doing business...because you may or may not ever use it.
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#1275150 - 10/27/09 05:53 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 Will B
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Originally Posted By: Will B
If FHA requires an inspection of the septic system, etc, would the inspection be a lender required settlement service? FHA isn't really the lender or originator, but the lender wouldn't grant the loan under these terms if FHA refuses to insure it. If it is a lender required settlement service, should we consider this a changed circumstance and issue a revised GFE showing this in section #6? (assuming the borrower can select the inspector).

Then, if the inspector identifies that repair work is needed, how should we handle the cost of the repair work on the GFE and HUD-1?


Maybe things have changed, but when I was an originator and a well or septic was involved, a Health Inspections was always required. I would call that a required service and at least in this part of the county is done by the Health Department...is it now something that may or may NOT be required?

If that's the case and you couldn't possibly know up front, I'd say it could consitute a changed circumtance. If it's still like I remember it, it would not be.
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#1275474 - 10/27/09 09:15 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 rlcarey
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Not sure if this has been discussed previously as I could not locate any links.

Regarding a NO CLOSING COST LOAN, where the bank pays all closing costs:

The FAQ's indicate to show a GFE credit on line 2 which creates a credit in Block A. My question is what do we do as a lender when the following occurs?
1) The actual closing costs are less than the credit from the GFE Block A? The HUD-1 FAQ instructions are to carryover Block A to the HUD-1, which means the borrower could receive cash back on a No Closing Cost loan.
2) The actual closing costs are higher than the credit from the GFE Block A? Obviously the bank would intend to pay the closing costs that exceed the GFE Block A estimate. How is that reconciled on the HUD-1?

Thanks for your input in advance!
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#1275561 - 10/27/09 10:39 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 OldSchoolBanker
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Not sure if this has been discussed previously as I could not locate any links.

Regarding a NO CLOSING COST LOAN, where the bank pays all closing costs:

The FAQ's indicate to show a GFE credit on line 2 which creates a credit in Block A. My question is what do we do as a lender when the following occurs?
1) The actual closing costs are less than the credit from the GFE Block A? The HUD-1 FAQ instructions are to carryover Block A to the HUD-1, which means the borrower could receive cash back on a No Closing Cost loan.
2) The actual closing costs are higher than the credit from the GFE Block A? Obviously the bank would intend to pay the closing costs that exceed the GFE Block A estimate. How is that reconciled on the HUD-1?

Thanks for your input in advance!
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Maybe you can help me here and perhaps I can help. This is a no closing cost loan. Your not charging any origination fee. So, how can the Block A from the GFE exceed block a on the HUD?

Perhaps I am confused. If so let me know and we can figure it out.

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#1275630 - 10/28/09 10:42 AM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 CompDat
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CompDat, thanks for your question on my original posting.

You are correct there is no origination fee but there still can be third party fees which the bank intends to pay on behalf of the borrower (title, appraisal etc).

In reading FAQ #1 on page 21 of the 10/23/09 FAQ, we are instructed to insert a credit into Block 2 for the amount of to offset all third party fees, which passes a credit to Block A. The lender is then held to a zero tolerance on the amount of that credit.

Does this help clarify the question?
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#1275758 - 10/28/09 01:49 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 OldSchoolBanker
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CompDat, thanks for your question on my original posting.

You are correct there is no origination fee but there still can be third party fees which the bank intends to pay on behalf of the borrower (title, appraisal etc).

In reading FAQ #1 on page 21 of the 10/23/09 FAQ, we are instructed to insert a credit into Block 2 for the amount of to offset all third party fees, which passes a credit to Block A. The lender is then held to a zero tolerance on the amount of that credit. Then, I would change the credit to be higher on the GFE, so that there would be no difference net of the items that cannot change (I am pretty sure this is wrong but right now I don't know how to do it).

Does this help clarify the question?
Thanks


OK lets talk through this. I admit fully that I do not know the answer and this one is stumping me. But here is how I would do it until I find out if this is correct or not. Since line 2 caries directly to the GFE, but your going to eat additional costs anyway, you could still bring line 2 over, and make a "cure" to cover the rest. I say this because, you really did not intend for your borrower to pay any of the costs. Some of the costs just came in higher. Thus, you would fill out a HUD-1 in this case, and make the adjusting entry to line 1206 and show it as a negative on page 1 in the 200 series.

If it comes in lower, then I have no idea what to do, but I am not sure that it matters if there is a net negative balance in the "items that cannot change" box.
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#1276314 - 10/28/09 06:58 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 David Dickinson
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Does this mean that we are held to the original GFE unless there are other changed circumstances? Or can it be stretched to mean that since we didn't have an application in the first place, changed circumstance does not apply. We issue GFEs for prequals and the lenders here are not ready to give it up. Thanks!

If you issue a GFE, you are bound by it. If there is a changed circumstance, you can change the fees ONLY affected by the change.

I think your lenders will want to stop issuing GFE's on prequals. They could issue another type of info sheet, but if they issue a GFE, they are "stuck" with it.


I just want to bring this issue up again. We have a program where the customers can apply online for their mortgage loan (Mortgagebot), and oftentimes they put "TBD" on the street name, then they will put a city and state. This online application (as required) automatically generates all of the disclosures including the GFE. This is frustrating. crazy
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#1276389 - 10/28/09 07:19 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 CalifDreamin
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Attorney fees question- in the FAQ's it says that attorney fees for preparing loan documents is considered part of the orgination fee in block 1. Would the preperation of an exhibit to go with the mortgage or prep of the deed count? Or are they refering to items like the note, security agreement, etc? Thanks
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#1276405 - 10/28/09 07:26 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 CalifDreamin
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Does this mean that we are held to the original GFE unless there are other changed circumstances? Or can it be stretched to mean that since we didn't have an application in the first place, changed circumstance does not apply. We issue GFEs for prequals and the lenders here are not ready to give it up. Thanks!

If you issue a GFE, you are bound by it. If there is a changed circumstance, you can change the fees ONLY affected by the change.
I think your lenders will want to stop issuing GFE's on prequals. They could issue another type of info sheet, but if they issue a GFE, they are "stuck" with it.


I just want to bring this issue up again. We have a program where the customers can apply online for their mortgage loan (Mortgagebot), and oftentimes they put "TBD" on the street name, then they will put a city and state. This online application (as required) automatically generates all of the disclosures including the GFE. This is frustrating. crazy


I would check with Mortgagebot. It would seem to me that they will be forced to make changes to their program to comply with the Jan 2010 RESPA changes.
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#1276417 - 10/28/09 07:33 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 MarieR
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Attorney fees question- in the FAQ's it says that attorney fees for preparing loan documents is considered part of the orgination fee in block 1. Would the preperation of an exhibit to go with the mortgage or prep of the deed count? Or are they refering to items like the note, security agreement, etc? Thanks


The FAQ states "sttorney's fees charge to prepare loan documents for the lender" are included here. I would take that to mean any documents that the lender requires in order to complete the loan transaction.

I'm wondering about fees for an attorney to review the documents. My best guess would be to put that in Block 3 (although now I'm thinking that Block 4 might be more appropriate, since that might be construed as a "title service").
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#1276516 - 10/28/09 08:22 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 Sinatra Fan
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My thought was - if it goes into your pocket, Block 3. If it goes into an attorney's pocket, Block 4
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#1276552 - 10/28/09 09:02 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 SnuffytheSeal
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On the HUD-1 line 1107 for flood certification fee, is this just for the life of loan fee or would it also include the charge for the determination? We thought the LOL would go in 1107 and we'd use a separate line for the determination fee. They would both go in box 3 of the GFE. Anyone see that differently? Thank you!

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#1276601 - 10/28/09 09:40 PM Re: RESPA changes 1-1-10 Sinatra Fan
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Yes, thank you - we just found out from Mortgagebot that we can turn off the disclosures on prequals. It's frustrating, though, as our customers seem to expect to get TILs and GFEs on prequals - it's one of the reasons they come to us before they find the property - not just to get prequalified, but to see what the fees potentially will be. So, although not required, we have given earlies on prequals, then we just give new ones when the circumstances change such as finding a property. This is just one of those changes that is not going to be seen as a benefit by our customers (we are working on an alternative to the GFE that we can create and give them that will still give them a break down of fees and just not call it a GFE or have it look like the GFE). We think our way gives better customer service than the new RESPA way. grin
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