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#633405 - 11/02/06 10:59 PM
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Yeah, Denny Hastert has definitely been a far right-winger. I mean he's...uh, he's...what has he done, again?
Well, let's compare his ratings to Pelosi's from the same ontheissues.org source:
• Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)
• Rated 17% by the ACLU, indicating an anti-civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)
• Rated 100% by the US COC, indicating a pro-business voting record. (Dec 2003)
• Rated 25% by the NEA, indicating anti-public education votes. (Dec 2003)
• Rated 92% by the Christian Coalition: a pro-family voting record. (Dec 2003)
• Rated 100% by CATO, indicating a pro-free trade voting record. (Dec 2002)
• Rated A by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun rights voting record. (Dec 2003)
• Rated 0% by the AFL-CIO, indicating an anti-union voting record. (Dec 2003)
• Rated 0% by the ARA, indicating an anti-senior voting record. (Dec 2003)
Mostly a mirror image of Pelosi's. If anything, he is more to the right than she is to the left, judging by this.
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#633406 - 11/02/06 11:05 PM
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That may be a fair point, though my question was more to the point of his effectiveness, not ideology. However, as it relates to his ideology, I feel fairly safe in saying that Denny Hastert is closer to the average American than Nancy Pelosi. Conservatives running for President are generally happy to identify themselves as such. You never heard John Kerry claiming to be a liberal.
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#633407 - 11/02/06 11:06 PM
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I think you'll find that Nancy Pelosi is not perceived as extremely leftist by any conservatives on either side of the aisle [ed.'s note: what?] OR by any liberals.
I disagree.
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I hope everyone's going out to vote...
I hope that only people who understand the issues go out to vote.
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#633408 - 11/02/06 11:09 PM
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That may be a fair point, though my question was more to the point of his effectiveness, not ideology. However, as it relates to his ideology, I feel fairly safe in saying that Denny Hastert is closer to the average American than Nancy Pelosi. Conservatives running for President are generally happy to identify themselves as such. You never heard John Kerry claiming to be a liberal.
I'm not familiar with how the group scores each reps views, but wouldn't 50% be average?
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#633409 - 11/02/06 11:11 PM
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But when the groups giving you the high scores are all leftward oriented, and the groups giving you the low scores are all rightward oriented, that puts you far to the left on the continuum.
Yeah, but if I like the groups, that makes them moderate, right?
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#633410 - 11/02/06 11:11 PM
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I think you'll find that Nancy Pelosi is not perceived as extremely leftist by any conservatives on either side of the aisle [ed.'s note: what?] OR by any liberals.
I disagree.
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I hope everyone's going out to vote...
I hope that only people who understand the issues go out to vote.
Maybe we should have voting tests to make sure people are competent enough to vote?
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#633411 - 11/02/06 11:27 PM
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I didn't say I favored restricting the franchise. I said I hope that people who don't bother to educate themselves about the issues stay home. Is it your position that you want people who don't know Dick Cheney from Dick Clark voting?
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#633412 - 11/02/06 11:44 PM
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"Lol, I guess it depends on your perspective, don't you think? If you believe that you're in the smarter group then I don't see the insult."
MB I personally don't see the humor in talking down to people, clearly you and -5- are on the same page.
Have a nice evening "gentlemen"...
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#633413 - 11/02/06 11:45 PM
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I didn't say I favored restricting the franchise. I said I hope that people who don't bother to educate themselves about the issues stay home. Is it your position that you want people who don't know Dick Cheney from Dick Clark voting?
When more people vote for the next American Idol than the next American President, I think its too late to worry about this.
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#633414 - 11/03/06 02:22 PM
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Straw, I think you're proving my point.
Sing, I honestly did not intend to offend you. Hope you will accept my apology for any unintended offense.
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#633417 - 11/03/06 04:13 PM
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Thank you for the apology -5-, I appreciate that.
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#633418 - 11/03/06 04:26 PM
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The bottom line on Nancy is that she will be an effective Speaker. At least she will be an improvement over hastert. Based on his actions on the Foley affair, we know he's a goddam liar.
I agree 100% that Pelosi will be an effective Speaker and an improvement over Hastert. In my opinion, at worst, Hastert is a liar who covered up for a pedophile, and at best, a Speaker who had no idea what was going on on his watch.
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#633419 - 11/03/06 04:34 PM
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I figured you'd like it, -5- 
I don't like it. I can't imagine that anybody does.
I'm sorry. I was being ironic.
I know you were being ironic. I was being blunt. You didn't need to apologize.
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I thought it was an interesting perspective, with a few good points. Not anything I would describe as "Anti-American."
I think that an article that calls our military's officers cowards and traitors, while they are engaged in conflict, is as anti-American as it gets. I'll let the reader decide; you and I can agree to disagree.
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several hundred are already leading a revolt
Actually, the article you link to includes 125. Out of, what, 140,000? 0.1% - some revolt.
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#633420 - 11/03/06 04:35 PM
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Based on his actions on the Foley affair, we know he's a goddam liar.
Unless "we" means only the fever swamps of the left, no, "we" don't know that.
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#633421 - 11/03/06 04:41 PM
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Based on his actions on the Foley affair, we know he's a goddam liar.
Unless "we" means only the fever swamps of the left, no, "we" don't know that.
Do you really think Hastert has told the truth about what he knew and when he knew it concerning Foley? If you truly believe him, I've got a bridge about a mile from my office I would like to sell you.
You really need to take off your rose colored glasses and recognize a cover-up when you see it.
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#633424 - 11/03/06 04:54 PM
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AGENDA FOR THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION 2008
7:00 P.M. Opening flag burning. 7:15 P.M. Pledge of allegiance to the U.N. 7:30 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast 7:35 P.M. Nonreligious prayer and worship. Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton. 8:00 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast. 8:05 P.M. Ceremonial tree hugging. 8:15 P.M. Gay Wedding -- Barney Frank presiding. 8:30 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast. 8:35 P.M. Free Saddam Rally. Cindy Sheehan -- Susan Sarandon. 9:00 P.M. Keynote speech. "The proper etiquette for surrender" -- French President Jacques Chirac 9:15 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast. 9:20 P.M. Collection to benefit Osama Bin Laden kidney transplant fund 9:30 P.M. Unveiling of plan to free freedom fighters from Guantanamo Bay. Sean Penn 9:40 P.M. "Why I hate the Military", A short talk by William Jefferson Clinton 9:45 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast 9:50 P.M. Dan Rather presented Truth in Broadcasting award, presented by Michael Moore 9:55 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast 10:00 P.M. "How George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld brought down the World Trade Center Towers" -- Howard Dean 10:30 P.M. Nomination of Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton by Mahmud Ahnadinejad 11:00 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast 11:05 P.M. Al Gore reinvents Internet 11:15 P.M. "Our Troops are War Criminals" -- John Kerry 11:30 P.M. Coronation Of Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton 12:00 A.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast 12:05 A.M. Bill asks Ted to drive Hillary home.
I always knew I wanted to be a convention delegate. All my heroes in one room!!
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#633427 - 11/03/06 05:47 PM
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You're right it's is not much compared to 140,000; but it's a start.
A start? I guess that depends on your perspective - if you want your country to win, is it a start?
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#633428 - 11/03/06 05:50 PM
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Do you really think Hastert has told the truth about what he knew and when he knew it concerning Foley?
I think if Hastert had known the contents of the messages that he was forced to resign over, he would have been forced to resign sooner. The party didn't care about him - any Republican could win that seat under normal circumstances. The more likely scenario is that operatives in the Democrat party knew about this earlier and held it for an opportune moment.
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